Omegxkid<Ibis.A> admin abuse

[phil.™]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...in-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...dvType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

[Bane of Soldiers]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...in-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...dvType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

Think about it. Since the door can only be opened from within, closing the door effectively reduces the number of the room's entrances to one: the vent. To be concise, I won't delineate on the specific vent rules. Everyone here knows them. The only situation when closing that door is illegal is if the vent is barricaded.


Just because there's a special door around doesn't change the fact that this vent is
1) A viable entrance for zombies.
2) Unbarricaded.
Thus, on castle redemption, Rofl is in the green and Omega the red.

[phil.™]

Think about it. Since the door can only be opened from within, closing the door effectively reduces the number of the room's entrances to one: the vent. To be concise, I won't delineate on the specific vent rules. Everyone here knows them. The only situation when closing that door is illegal is if the vent is barricaded.


Just because there's a special door around doesn't change the fact that this vent is
1) A viable entrance for zombies.
2) Unbarricaded.
Thus, on castle redemption, Rofl is in the green and Omega the red.

true, but if top zombies, and they have to do a zombie train, or atleast 2-3 deformed zombies, it's easy to get through no?
I'm not fighting anyone against these rules or anything. if i am wrong on this, i learn from this. and again, this is just primarily my opinion.

bane, if it was you, me anex, and 1 more top players we could get 5-6 players in the vents with the door closed no? It just takes teamwork, and knowing what you are doing.
but like i said, i'm not fighting this thread. i just posted my opinion, and the demo's so clan doesnt have to research this shit.

[Bane of Soldiers]

true, but if top zombies, and they have to do a zombie train, or atleast 2-3 deformed zombies, it's easy to get through no?
I'm not fighting anyone against these rules or anything. if i am wrong on this, i learn from this. and again, this is just primarily my opinion.

bane, if it was you, me anex, and 1 more top players we could get 5-6 players in the vents with the door closed no? It just takes teamwork, and knowing what you are doing.
but like i said, i'm not fighting this thread. i just posted my opinion, and the demo's so clan doesnt have to research this shit.

Hmm, I think you're taking my input the wrong way. I was hoping to clarify what sounded like speculation on your part. I guess I'm confirming your opinion too.

My goal was to simply caution others against treating this case specially because of some fancy door. I too, am trying to get this case along faster. So rather than "technically not illegal" it is "not illegal"

[phil.™]

Hmm, I think you're taking my input the wrong way. I was hoping to clarify what sounded like speculation on your part. I guess I'm confirming your opinion too.

My goal was to simply caution others against treating this case specially because of some fancy door. I too, am trying to get this case along faster. So rather than "technically not illegal" it is "not illegal"

oh sorry, had more to drink after i wrote this hahaha.

[brett friggin favre]

can't speak on the first ruling, i don't do enough zm. however, i can say for the 2nd, in the room that roflol caded there were only 2 entrances. both entrances were crouch spots. from the rules directly:

Barricading - Regarding illegal barricading / God items

Barricading all entrances to a crouched spot.

now...i'll ignore any map-specific rules that may exist as i don't have enough knowledge on them either, and i can say this: if there's no rule against it, an admin saying it doesn't make it one.

the rule states that barricading all entrances to a crouched spot is illegal. personally, i take this to mean that the barricade by roflol was illegal. i think the rule mainly outlines vents, which are definitely "crouched" spots, but i also think it applies here even though the occupants don't have to be crouched once inside. the point is, i believe, that you can't barricade both entrances to any area that can only be entered by crouching. what i just said might sound really dumb and obvious but i'm trying to be very specific about this. in this case, roflol was in the wrong it seems.

if others agree on that, then ban length becomes an issue. roflol was permabanned. i also remember watching him a while back and seeing him block people intentionally. i'm obviously not the one who makes a call in this case, but i wanted to present that info.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Only two people are allowed per vent opening. In castle_redemption I interpret this to mean if the door is closed then a max of two people are allowed in the vent. Closing the door effectively reduces the number of vent openings to one. If my interpretation is correct then one of those three people in the vent needed to fall back into the room or otherwise GTFO. Either way, I don't see where Rofl was at fault.

Hmm, I didn't think about that. Particularly because I thought that rule was defunct from the start and was treated as such. But yes, Rofl shouldn't be at fault.

the rule states that barricading all entrances to a crouched spot is illegal. personally, i take this to mean that the barricade by roflol was illegal. i think the rule mainly outlines vents, which are definitely "crouched" spots, but i also think it applies here even though the occupants don't have to be crouched once inside. the point is, i believe, that you can't barricade both entrances to any area that can only be entered by crouching. what i just said might sound really dumb and obvious but i'm trying to be very specific about this. in this case, roflol was in the wrong it seems.

If this says what I think it is saying, you are correct lol.

if others agree on that, then ban length becomes an issue. roflol was permabanned. i also remember watching him a while back and seeing him block people intentionally. i'm obviously not the one who makes a call in this case, but i wanted to present that info.

If you could direct me to a demo. Personally, I would disagree with an excessive ban because spotless behavior (with the exception of exploitative behavior) wasn't part of his unban conditions. Heavier than others due to history and experience, but even then... is this something to slam a hammer on? I would say yes if it had blatantly persisted. Otherwise, slaying and kicking sounds good

[jimmay]

Only two people are allowed per vent opening. In castle_redemption I interpret this to mean if the door is closed then a max of two people are allowed in the vent. Closing the door effectively reduces the number of vent openings to one. If my interpretation is correct then one of those three people in the vent needed to fall back into the room or otherwise GTFO. Either way, I don't see where Rofl was at fault.

[RofLoLmao]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...in-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...dvType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

Thank you phil. The thing is all I wanted was prior warning but I honestly did not know you couldnt cade both spots on dessert fortress because I've seen so many people do it in the past without any punishment. Other than that, the ban is over, but it still seems out of line since it is warn/slay/kick/ban right? Also, what about the slaying on castle redemption?