Pokemon Mafia: Gotta Catch'em scum!

[Blackmage]

I don't understand why so many people are like, well if BM turns up town we're in trouble.

with his death I know a mafia either way, regardless of what he turns up as.

That statement right there. As I've explained before, that's a problem. If you know a mafia either way, you can prove the same thing by lynching another player. Instead, you've run a "guilty until dead" crusade against me, never even considering another path. You're keeping everyone in the dark, expecting them to blindly follow your machinations. How many times have you insulted someone when they spoke against you?

As an example, if you kill me and you're mafia, you'd be down 1 or 2 townies after the night. 2 is more likely if the doctor chooses to protect you. Then Day 3 comes, you try to convince them that someone else is mafia, based upon some previously undisclosed information. If they happen to be townie too, hey look, 4 townies dead in 2 days, 2 mafia, 3 townies left for day 4, supposing nothing else happens. If nothing else DOES happens, you'll be dead Day 4, but then we'll have Mikey, someone else, and a mafia left. If Mikey trees or something, you win.

[What]

If I'm mafia the town is already screwed cause there is no cop. Thats another reason you need to go. You keep trying to prove or assert that either I am not the cop or there is no cop in the game. That is illogical and goes against everything we have seen in previous games and how previous games were played. I can not prove the same thing by lynching someone else, I have already stated that. For instance if mikey gets lynched, I learn nothing other than how stupid the town is for lynching a known townie.
There is no gambit where me lying about being the doctor pays off, it would be too early for such a lie and way to risky. Your instance that I must be lying about my role, despite the fact I am pikachu, who needs to be in any game involving Ash and the show and can only be good, is a red flag. At best you are just being willfully ignorant, at worse you are trying to misdirect. What would be better for mafia than getting the town to turn on and lynch the cop? Also, even if you are telling the truth, 1 townie isn't gonna break the town, and your supposed ability has a better chance of hurting us than helping us, since the only way to kill a known mafia is to listen to the cop when he says that guy is mafia, but we already know you won't do that.
To reiterate you are a liability at this point, or mafia. Either way your death gives me the info I need to help the town, you should be happy with that. The game is about the town winning, not you personally surviving.
This day has dragged on for too long, nothing new is being learned without a death. Do not ask for the whom the bell tolls BM, for it tolls for thee.

---------- Post added at 12:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:22 PM ----------

Obviously meant cop in the one spot and not doctor

[Blackmage]

The fact that you're lying means you a STRONG liability too. For example, lying about a game that you were playing in. Have you completely forgot the C9 game, that I already mentioned? Half the time, that game would have had no cop.

You assert that Pikachu has to be in the game. When there are 2 pokemon that ash has released at the time (Primeape, Butterfree) 2 pokemon that aren't even ash and crews (Jigglypuff, Ditto). Why would there NEED to be Pikachu? What you're claiming is WIFOM, not fact.

How can you not prove the same thing by lynching someone else? You have claimed, between myself and 2 other players, there's at least one mafia. If I'm mafia, someone else is mafia. If I'm not, it's a third player. Why would lynching the other player NOT prove who the mafia is? Or are you lying about that too?

On the "Too early to claim Cop", I just showed how it's not. Let me repost that in case you missed it. "If you kill me and you're mafia, you'd be down 1 or 2 townies after the night. 2 is more likely if the doctor chooses to protect you. Then Day 3 comes, you try to convince them that someone else is mafia, based upon some previously undisclosed information. If they happen to be townie too, hey look, 4 townies dead in 2 days, 2 mafia, 3 townies left for day 4, supposing nothing else happens. If nothing else DOES happens, you'll be dead Day 4, but then we'll have Mikey, someone else, and a mafia left. If Mikey trees or something, you win."

I also didn't "turn on" you. I've been defending myself since long before you were considered "cop". What better ploy is there to shield yourself from suspicion that claiming a role that no one wants to kill?

You've also said you DON'T know any mafia. You've said you got innocent. You're trying to prove something, but won't explain what. You keep changing your story. You may want to follow a cop who knows what they are doing, but you don't follow someone who claims, but gives nothing to back it up.

I will not ever be happy dying to someone who has been lying this entire time to kill me. If this was a random vote, that'd be fine. However, this is a crusade. If you had actually given facts as to why I'm a good choice to die, I'd be willing to accept that. Instead, you do things such as when I roleclaim, claim I'm a liability, making assertions that you STILL have yet to back up.

[Blackmage]

Looking through the Drug Lord game for another reason, I found a beautiful gem. Behold

And who is to say there is a cop and a doctor?

[BladeTwinSwords]

Blackmage is correct. There are several Open Setups that exclude the Cop, Doctor or even both for different roles like Jailkeeper, FBI Agent, Watcher, Tracker, etc.

We have 10 hours before the day ends. Let's get this over with.

[Blackmage]

http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Setup997

How about ones with no investigators at all and very limited protection? Assuming roles will be in the game is again, WIFOM.

Also, did you mean closed? Because this game is a closed setup, not open

[BladeTwinSwords]

Well obviously this is closed setup since the roles were handpicked and not from a predetermined set but the fact still stands that not all games have cops.