2013, A Space Mafia

[Nemesis]

yes, i trust a piece of paper that comes on the floor. a friendly neighbor can confirm himself to town in any way the mod sees fit. i figured that made sense. as for spy? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor aka spy, has nothing to do with the role you provided. we've been using mafiascum roles for everything to this point......i see spy on there, i figure that's what a spy is, not some radically different and stupid OP role.

allow me to add, nem, that it seems to me the attitude you take to this game is "if it's technically legal, i can do it." in the first game, you asked tom for info that he shouldn't have given you. it was on him for giving it to you, but still you asked when there's no way he should ever tell you, and therefore no reason you should never ask. now you throw this role in with no checks, no risks, no balances, simply because it exists, and your excuse is that we shouldn't trust it? so we can't trust that, and if we can't trust that then we can't trust anything someone says, until after they're dead and their alignment/role is confirmed OH WAIT MAFIA HAD A JANITOR TOO. WHOOPS. so that leaves us with NO WAY TO GATHER INFO other than our own powers...and as a VT, i'm absolutely 100% worthless. actually with cyber's power, i'm a liability to town. so that makes 3 mafia, 1 arson, 3 vt all detrimental to town from the get-go, that's a majority. game fucking over right on the setup.

i will agree that town was pretty fucking dumb this game but it's also so blatantly mafia-stacked, that hardly mattered.

You're right that I should have taken into consideration that google is difficult to use. You want roles only from Mafia Scum? Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman took me 30 seconds to find. Does it matter that I called it a Spy instead of mailman? No, because there's no way you would know anyways.

The janitor was an x-shot. Which was used once, on another VT.

I'm sorry if the only way you feel you can play is if you have some sort of magic powers, I will take that into consideration next time.

[brett friggin favre]

You're right that I should have taken into consideration that google is difficult to use. You want roles only from Mafia Scum? Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman took me 30 seconds to find. Does it matter that I called it a Spy instead of mailman? No, because there's no way you would know anyways.

The janitor was an x-shot. Which was used once, on another VT.

I'm sorry if the only way you feel you can play is if you have some sort of magic powers, I will take that into consideration next time.

The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient.

so you even took that role and twisted it, making the sender not anonymous. ok cool. maybe that'd be ok for a town role but not for mafia. sorry.

and no, i don't think i need magic powers. but as i stated, if you don't want me to trust info such as that which i received, i would have to not trust ANY INFO FROM ANYONE. and being that as it is, my words and my vote being my power, they're worthless because they can never be informed.

Courier's value is even more dependent on the player's skill or the value of the information the player has at its disposal.

cyber needed no info. that role's two main hinderances were removed, and it was given to mafia. yeah that sounds legit. that is a horrible bastardization of a role if i've ever seen one.

[Masskid]

what surprised me the most during the game was that i claimed fire fighter and didn't get counter-clamed so the janitor on blackmage was actually very nice because the mafia could easily say he was fire fighter and already have 3 votes on me

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Also i see why Tom wants no time limit on days and nights xD if it was 24 hour time limits we would end up with more of those mikey lynches

[Wolfenstinger]

You don’t get a cool opening like everyone else. Mostly because everyone fucking hates you. You’re fat and probably black. Get cancer [COLOR="#00FF00"]Hallwagner (Town Stupid Nigger)(COLOR].

Ability: None. Unless “Fat” is an ability…and it’s not.

Win conditions: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

1. You lynched Wolf first day. Townies are now 0-6 on random first day lynches, I'm wondering how long it will take for people to smarten up. Hallwagner was a hated townie, but unknown to everyone, including Wolf, he would slowly get better each day until he because useful for the town. It was a role that would require a player who could talk themselves out of a sticky situation, unfortunately it was randomed to Wolf, so that got thrown out the window quickly. If he survived the first day, wolf would have gotten a vest. If he survived the second day he would have gotten a vest he could have given to a friend. Third day would have allowed him an investigation. Fourth day would have given him a vigilante kill. Finally, if Wolf survived the fifth day, he would have taken Cyber's mother out for a night of Mexican food and German sex, which means he would have been immune to any and all actions taken against him. Very powerful, if he could have talked himself out of trouble.

Ok... it makes sense on why I would've been "powerful" later.... except, it was going to me. And since I knew I was vanilla townie + role play was "encouraged"; I attempted to be a "stupid nigger" ... Instead I basically went off the edge and over killed myself. Nothing was really going to bring me back and since there wasn't really any sign as to anything in my PM other than vanilla townie written ALL OVER IT, I didn't bother thinking twice. Though - I've yet to get a PM for Vanilla Townie role at all, so yeahhh..

Overall - oh well. GG. I played it stupidly, but I knew no better anyways. I don't think my shenanigans will work in future games now however, so I have to either come up with something completely new.... or... scrap the idea altogether because it's really the only way I can get myself to come back and make a semi-legit deduction that seemed reasonable and then go off that.

[Masskid]

Also, congrats scribble for living....

[Nemesis]

The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient.

so you even took that role and twisted it, making the sender not anonymous. ok cool. maybe that'd be ok for a town role but not for mafia. sorry.

and no, i don't think i need magic powers. but as i stated, if you don't want me to trust info such as that which i received, i would have to not trust ANY INFO FROM ANYONE. and being that as it is, my words and my vote being my power, they're worthless because they can never be informed.

Courier's value is even more dependent on the player's skill or the value of the information the player has at its disposal.

cyber needed no info. that role's two main hinderances were removed, and it was given to mafia. yeah that sounds legit. that is a horrible bastardization of a role if i've ever seen one.

I never told you who the msg was from! You assumed it was from Cyber, but technically he could have used anyone's name. Again, you assumed something and it got you bit.

Even now you're reading that utterly wrong. It says that the role is stronger if it also has investigative abilities, which Cyber did not. He had no useful information for anyone, he had no abilities to protect himself or show others that he was anything but mafia, and there were no mafia roles that could change that, no framer, no disguiser, no bus driver, nothing. If he was investigated he was guilty, no matter what. All he had were his words, which you gobbled up and never doubted for a minute. Sometimes you need to think a little bit of what's presented to you, and WHY.

There's a reason Cyber chose you Brett, you're very easy to manipulate, you live long in these games because it's nice having you around so someone can always agree with whatever you say.

[Chikun]

Didn't see anything about a false friendly neighbor so I never expected that. Is this role even on the wiki?

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I've been had by something I didn't know existed.

[What]

So essentially 4 VT, while every mafia had a power + an arsonist and no fire fighter. Town was pretty much doomed from the beginning. Though I must say, people should have wondered why brett was killed at night, since all it did was "confirm" Cyber as town. There was no reason for them to do this since it behooves them to have people confused and wondering who is telling the truth, and since many thought that Brett and Cyber were mafia to start with, it would have made sense to keep them both alive. In addition to the fact that everyone assumes brett is mafia, and he is terrible at playing town, there was no reason to kill him.
Overall though, town was kind of fucked due to being outmatched by mafia and 3rd party powers, it also doesn't help that there was a severe intelligence deficiency on the Town's side, especially given the power roles they had.

[brett friggin favre]

I never told you who the msg was from! You assumed it was from Cyber, but technically he could have used anyone's name. Again, you assumed something and it got you bit.

Even now you're reading that utterly wrong. It says that the role is stronger if it also has investigative abilities, which Cyber did not. He had no useful information for anyone, he had no abilities to protect himself or show others that he was anything but mafia, and there were no mafia roles that could change that, no framer, no disguiser, no bus driver, nothing. If he was investigated he was guilty, no matter what. All he had were his words, which you gobbled up and never doubted for a minute. Sometimes you need to think a little bit of what's presented to you, and WHY.

There's a reason Cyber chose you Brett, you're very easy to manipulate, you live long in these games because it's nice having you around so someone can always agree with whatever you say.

if the sender is anonymous, that implies that they can't reveal their identity in the note.

anyone's easy to manipulate when you provide them with bullshit roles that make no sense. not to mention that argument is the stupidest thing i've ever heard, considering how many times i've been mafia and have been the manipulator. but i'm done arguing with your stupid ass, go ahead and blacklist me from the rest of your games, i don't want any part in them because there is no possible way an idiot like yourself could ever make a game with any sort of balance whatsoever.

mad? yes. i'm mad. you wasted my time with this bullshit.

[Nemesis]

So essentially 4 VT, while every mafia had a power + an arsonist and no fire fighter. Town was pretty much doomed from the beginning. Though I must say, people should have wondered why brett was killed at night, since all it did was "confirm" Cyber as town. There was no reason for them to do this since it behooves them to have people confused and wondering who is telling the truth, and since many thought that Brett and Cyber were mafia to start with, it would have made sense to keep them both alive. In addition to the fact that everyone assumes brett is mafia, and he is terrible at playing town, there was no reason to kill him.
Overall though, town was kind of fucked due to being outmatched by mafia and 3rd party powers, it also doesn't help that there was a severe intelligence deficiency on the Town's side, especially given the power roles they had.

To be fair, if cyber's counted as a power role then so did Taz's, he just didn't use it and when he did it was for nothing useful. Wolf would have been extremely useful if he lived but he gave up early. Once the roles are randomized it wouldn't look good to start switching things I didn't like.