helllluuuurrrr

[What]

I am saying the NSA is a bad thing. It was an example of what happens when you don't criticize. Because as we all know, it runs rampant when it isn't looked over every once and awhile. And this idiot who doesn't read posts, still avoids my original statement.

I have NO ISSUES PERSONALLY in the gameplay, but I NOTICE that overall gameplay is reduced by exploits. Which causes new potential regulars to quit. Ergo, WHY ZM is more popular...

I added that maybe by simply making early classes have different exp scaling. It would encourage them to stay because they can at least get abilities to defend themselves. And again, he makes statements (without reading) like I don't have any classes leveled, when I clearly pointed out, that myself PLAYING vagabond can easily exploit and gain advantages, and clearing the server.


Another exmaple:

It's like having a lvl 85 in World of Warcraft fighting a lvl 1
There is no shot to survive, and a lvl 1 can't counter anything without abilities.

In WCS there is no "solo" to level up separately from combat, it is purely if you can get kills or win. Or enough deaths to collect enough money to buy tomes (which are cut off at certain lvls and are expensive)

Like I said, before Ferrous Cranus over here says something else stupid. Greater exp gains for earlier classes levels (which would require testing) Might encourage people to stick around.

Again. I did not have issues, but clearly people do. And a smart admin, that actually cares for his clan and server. Would attempt to listen to some degree, instead of just dismissing it period. And we all know WCS has been tweeked before. But there is ALWAYS tweeking needed to be done. It may not be the just classes, but the maps, and rules, that collectively create the issue of exploiting.

Again, common practice. And he want's to claim people need lives and initiates disrespect, then claims others of doing so first? When clearly he can't get his together to form a viable thought process. Let alone read.

Do you even lift?

[† ØblivioΩ †]

Congratulations on being able to say absolutely nothing using as many word as you can. You can double down on your incorrectness all you want, its not going to change the reality of the situation.
Grow up dude, you resorted to insults way to quickly, and way to repetitively to be taken seriously by anyone. Don't be blinded by your own ignorance, its no way to go through life. If you actually wish to discuss this topic, again, you need to find and read all of the other threads people have made complaining about how they are terrible at WCS therefore it must be unbalanced. You could also try reading the stuff written by Brett and Tom on how to play and counter the races.

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At this point, it's amusing.

[† ØblivioΩ †]

Do you even lift?

I do actually, everyday. Do you?

[What]

First: There is no point in talking to you about this since everything you post either contains things that are verifiably wrong, or are just plain lies. You keep doubling down on being wrong and are too lazy to go and look at the history of these issues. I am not going to spoon feed you information.

Second: Everyday? That's great if you want to tone or maintain, but you will not see continued results if you do not give your muscles time to recover. So either you are lying or an idiot, based on case precedent I'd say a combination of the two.

[† ØblivioΩ †]

Cool story bro; it's trying to be clever. How cute.

Not to mention changing the subject to irrelevance.

I will assume based on your deficient ability to address a detailed rebuttal, and lack of focus that you are conceding the discussion. I shall also assume based on your lifting comment that you know nothing about conditioning and physical therapy. I don't feel like educating you. Obviously rational thinking is too difficult for you, so I won't force you to try anymore. Have a good day.

[brett friggin favre]

seriously.

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It took you hours to learn that you can't just slay people?

lol did the quote ur talking about say that i was going to slay him for no reason?

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lol did the quote ur talking about say that i was going to slay him for no reason?

knowingly slay him for no reson*****

[Erdenay]

Pretty much what Brett said. I've got to say that I'm very impressed how derailed this thread has become.

P.S. Oblivion, I'd highly recommend asking all highest ranked and/or best players what race is generally considered to be the strongest. As far as I'm aware, it's almost unanimous consent that human is the strongest single player race whereas nebula has the highest utility and brings the most total value to the team. Yes, vagabond and vagalion along with others mentioned do bring very strong presence and high team destruction potential, but they are countered much easier than the aforementioned races (I.E. nebula/human).

P.P.S. If you know how to counter all of those races so well and if you're such an expert, if you don't mind, explain how you are with 0.77 kdr? Granted, that is a very subjective and skewed ratio and can be deceptive quite a bit (especially on the high end of the table) that still is an extremely low ratio. There are big differences between players who don't know how to use the race and people who actually know how to play it. I'll use a nebula, human and vagabond as an example:

Even the very worst players normally still end up positive on maxed human - and that's not due to their skill, but only due to the race.

People who are bad at nebula tend to do much worse as there's a slightly higher skill cap, but it's still really easy to and most people will end positive with a nebula even if they are not good.

People who can't control vagabond due their skill limit or experience a lot of times even have a negative kdr. Yes, best players do have immense control over the map as they can scout and pick off targets, but overall they will not be the main driving power barring few specific maps (I do agree that maps such as de_port, de_compound and few others are very, very skewed towards vagas).

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Vaga is only countered with lace if it's not played correctly, I personally can avoid that "weakness" easily and pretty sure Kinta and several other players are also able to. How do you get stuck gentlemen? By turning invis near someone with lace, don't be near them during teleport, crisis averted. But clearly it's not a problem at all...

By making this list you are pointing out balance issues in several classes, and further proving my point of a broke gameplay of the WCS in GENERAL, which was my point, vagabond was just ONE COMMON example. But please, dismiss the core issue.

Humans? Meh. They got bash but you can teleport or use specials to escape. extra hp but not hard to handle. Teleport is limited.

Molecules? I never have an issue with them but apparently they are hard? They get stuck in place, you literally camp around a corner and throw a flashbang? Issue is only dodge. Flame pred can also get in his face with lace equip to nullify effectiveness.

Shadow hunter? Isnt that op. if you run in his face it's an issue but anti_ward solves that, and it cheaper than lace. Plus flame pred can lol that to pieces too

Jack? Depends on the person. Just a normal guy with an extra skip in his step. When you see one just keep your aim down, problem solved.

Santa? Yeah, annoying on certain maps. If it isn't wide air it's pretty useless. But he is still visible, and a good shot can still take him down.

Crypt Lord? Really? It's op? Okay... Sure... You can see him a mile away, and a lace solves locust issue.

Nebula? Extra dmg and cloud invsi with movement. However spraying in the direction of his muzzle flash will generally land a hit.

Funny thing is, it takes is a well placed shot from a vaga to put all these classes down. And he can do it from range and can avoid fights by being out of their reach in the sky (Which can avoid lace stuck issue, and running out the clock instead of objective, another point that was neglected however people just claim vaga bitching, not surprising, even though it's the rule to do objectives)

And another funny point, is that people claim counter-class yet still agree and prove the point that the way it is currently in place, it is easy to exploit to your advantage. You all are proving it by getting highly defensive instead of offering potential regulation to minimize exploiting. That's what you're supposed to do right? Analyze with critical thinking and deciding what can help everyone enjoy the server more, and not just the few who have high lvl classes to face/roll with *nudge nudge, wink wink*

Everyone knows a smart vaga can put down an entire team, and can be out of range of all their specials. I have been on crackhouse flying around rooftop just picking people off (which most other classes can't get to certain locations, yeah human teleport but it has long cool down and I always headshot the shit out of those sitting ducks when the first appear on roof)

And we all know a vaga can still kick ass with no-scope running through halls as well.

And again people claim vaga bitching. I enjoy the class... That's how I KNOW it's slightly more cheap, you guys do too, so don't pretend. And it is that reason it scares off other people. My whole point, is that cheap classes in particular is what keeps the server low populated.. Ergo, reinforces my point that ZM on average has an overall consistent gameplay that attracts most players because exploiting is limited and doesn't require leveling to get a fair shake at combat.

Again, you vagalovebirds are missing the point. When you use maps that gives an advantage to the class, it discourages other people to level because they can't get you (because they haven't leveled the classes to counter them) All the other classes you can see coming a mile away and is personally not an issue for me. So I am not bitching, I am pointing out a flaw you all clearly see for OTHER players, yet somehow have the balls to retort with such half-assery, and aggressive position that just further proves my point. It's weird logic if you ask me, blinded and stuck in the vaga love goggles I guess.

Now let's say they reduced how much exp it takes for a good majority for the earlier classes, and scale down other exp for others ahead slightly, that could encourage more intense gameplay. Or even increase the cooldown on vaga invisibility to around 2.5 seconds, the 0 cooldown is what makes it slightly op, done the right way you can escape or avoid any and every confrontation.

But then again we wouldn't want to even the playing field would we? And again, like I said, its the same few guys with the same maxed classes (myself included). That run around in circles scaring off a lot of people. I know this because I have done it before (And you guys probably have done it once or twice too)

So stop focusing like a typical fanboys would do and pay attention to the full scale of the criticism.

But you guys can resort to claiming everyone is just qqing. It's like the federal government... The system broke but we don't need to fix it! It works well "enough" for the people on the inside crowd and everyone else is just tough titties.

And again, you all proving my point that it does need to have a few tweeks. Considering in a lot of these maps you can teleport to a spawn under 15 seconds (which vaga players always qq about "are you allowed to ward your own spawn under 20 seconds???!!! I want to get freekillz plz!!")

I have been on cbble and got from t side to ct side in a bit under 10 seconds, taking pot shots at people changing class sets.

And again, please read and actually form a non bias constructive criticism on how to improve gameplay, or explain how that it is truly balanced scaling. Instead of just giving the typical response of: You just mad, we acknowledge the server is less popular but let's ignore the issue as to why!

It's funny, we all know that "vaga bitching" is a thing, so obviously it is just ONE of the classes that should be put under the microscope, in additon to test balancing on other classes listed.

Zombie Mod gets tweeked all the time for balancing. And rules are made for certain maps to improve gameplay, that is common practice. This is how you KNOW when someone is just being a fanboy for their cheap classes at that point when you auto declare "bitching"

I am sure all the players for CoD were "bitching" too about multiplayer scaling and zombie scaling. But hey, the developers actually took the time to take in the information and improved gameplay patch by patch.

What happened to the days of Ibis having critical thinkers? Did you all burn out? Our just been turned into run and gun rage mode internet bullies like CoD has? When I was admin we actually had a basic respect for people before resorting that the individual is just "bitching". Maybe the overall average level of users with higher education has dwindled, guess that also explains the limited vocabulary and going straight for the "bitching" card, that's the easy way out, not surprising either.

Ibis has lost so much respect since I have left, and I can see why. Seems like some leashes need to be reigned in before their head explodes from breathing, and thinking at the same time.

very detailed, and agreed upon by many. i do enjoy attempting to kill a vega that knives. But not for an entire map. Tele's for scout vega's should be limited. and as for IBIS admins there are some very nice 1's. As for others
not so much and a few grammar nazi's that think they are better than you because you do not use correct punctuation. Like when did that become a thing, and when it did way to conform to
mainstream bullshit lmao. as for the few that do criticize others for incorrect punctuation and not spelling a complete word (even tho you do understand and comprehend what is being said). You are not
impressing anyone by saying oh you typed u instead of you. it just shows that your a picky asshole

[acolyte_to_jippity]

the proper grammer becomes a thing when we're unable to read what you post due to how fucked up it is. and no, it does not show that we are picky assholes, it shows that we want you to type like a regular fucking person, not some sort of side-drooling retard.