I've been VAC banned

[brett friggin favre]

tl;dr - Your account got VAC banned, you made this post to tell us all about it, the reasons behind it, how valiant you are, etc. and you want us to accept that you aren't a cheater despite the fact that the system least likely to be fallible says you are.

I should note, WCS matters not to me, so I don't have a dog in this fight at all. Whether you continue to play WCS here is completely irrelevant to me. I will say though you pegged it precisely right. Most are just going to assume you finally got caught and move on. I'll say this - I've never watched you play but I've heard claims that you hack and I've never heard of a false positive VAC ban. I don't believe VAC institutes bans for bhop scripting either as I think that's a server rule and not a universal rule, but I could be wrong on that.

Fortunately for you, you know the truth of the matter, so convincing us of it does what for you exactly? Allows you to play here and maintain your identity? You easily could have just opened a new account and gotten to it and honestly man, the guilty are usually the loudest on the Internet (Mut).

he's not saying it was a false ban, and vac does ban for bhop scripts. from what i can tell it's based off player reports and evidence, much like our system. because of that if we have no evidence of hacking here (we don't, otherwise he'd be banned already), he's free to get a new account and keep playing.

posting this if nothing else answers the question "hey i2o4 why'd you get a new account OH LOOK YOU GOT VAC BANNED WHY WAS THAT?!!"

plus it's logical, given his interest in setting up an offline bhop server posted elsewhere recently.

another thing it does is let us know to keep our eyes out for him scripting in the future.

[jwtemp]

I know you guys think you are some real bloodhounds when it comes to 'sniffing out' duplicate accounts, but seriously, he could have made a new account and kept playing here. There are people doing it as we speak (not suspected, I know for a 100% fact).

I can't imagine Valve bans on someone saying THAT GUY WAS BHOP SCRIPTING without investigating/evidence/patterns/etc. Also, if VAC bans for bhop scripting, how on Earth is it allowed on ANY server? I do believe Valve takes VAC bans pretty seriously and doesn't just hand them out willy nilly.

Everything I'm coming up with on the Steam forums indicates VAC bans aren't instituted for bhop scripts, only executables or changed/altered game code. This seems like an attempt to get out ahead of getting caught to me. But again - I couldn't care any less about the outcome. I just find it entertaining as I know this has been an ongoing discussion among several.

Edit: Changed 'VAC bans on someone' to 'Valve bans on someone' above.

[SCRIBBLE]

JW: There are bhop injections which will get a VAC ban.

[jwtemp]

JW: There are bhop injectibles which will get a VAC ban.

Indeed - and that would not constitute a script, it would be an executable.

[brett friggin favre]

Indeed - and that would not constitute a script, it would be an executable.

an executable would normally cause an automatic vac ban. one that doesn't happen immediately would be based on reports and evidence. since VAC can't control all methods of cheating through their program alone, they can sometimes review evidence and make the bans manually. vac can't tell if it's an exe or a script, but they can make the ban either way. we know i2o4's been bhopping, we know he's used scripts, but we have no evidence that it happened on this server.

and yes, a player like i2o4 would have certainly been detected by us if he made a new account. new players playing well always raise a red flag. i personally haven't been in-game much recently, but when i am i always check into new names with good scores, especially in wcs.

[jwtemp]

an executable would normally cause an automatic vac ban. one that doesn't happen immediately would be based on reports and evidence. since VAC can't control all methods of cheating through their program alone, they can sometimes review evidence and make the bans manually. vac can't tell if it's an exe or a script, but they can make the ban either way. we know i2o4's been bhopping, we know he's used scripts, but we have no evidence that it happened on this server.

and yes, a player like i2o4 would have certainly been detected by us if he made a new account. new players playing well always raise a red flag. i personally haven't been in-game much recently, but when i am i always check into new names with good scores, especially in wcs.

Alls I'm saying is everything I'm reading indicates bhop scripting is not VAC ban-able. Find some evidence to the contrary and I'll accept your thesis. Scribble, here's the Steam VAC page:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...7849-Radz-6869

Pay special attention to the following paragraph:

While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players. The VAC system is automated - contacting Steam Support to report cheaters is not necessary, nor will Steam Support act on any information provided.

The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modification to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

Therefore, if Valve is following their own outlined policies, you are wrong. He was banned by an automated system for using something VAC detected. That or VAC just randomly bans people, this is the first I've ever heard of it and i2o4 is an innocent victim.

As for you crazies definitely sleuthing it up and finding him out if he used a different account, that's pure speculation. Again, you play with people who shouldn't be playing on IBIS with you when you play.

[brett friggin favre]

hmm. i assumed since you had the opportunity on steam to report an account for cheating that they actually...i dunno, used that feature.

who knows then. either way, we need evidence of it occurring on ibis servers.

[SCRIBBLE]

No, I meant I should have kept reading your post.

[SCRIBBLE]

Indeed - and that would not constitute a script, it would be an executable.

I read this far -

Everything I'm coming up with on the Steam forums indicates VAC bans aren't instituted for bhop scripts

- and replied, should have kept reading.

[Masskid]

ooooooooo this means I'm rank 4 now