Suicide needs Punishment

[euronews]

This sounds really good because it would make some ze maps.work out.. but what if them knowing that theres no way of to save there rank leads them to just sit in spec and we won't have help at all...

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

How do you deduce that someone intentionally jumped to their death or made a fail jump? I for one do not trust someone who can hardly spell to decide my fate in that manner. Example, i was playing serrento last night... i died from the water more times then being tagged by a zombie based simply off the fact that i missed my jumps. Stop trying to micro-manage the ZM server. It will not make it better and it only makes you look like a downie. Committing suicide via console is already against the rules and that should be enough. Being that i find it almost 100% impossible to be 100% certain someone jumped to their death to avoid being tagged with out a signed confession. You cannot implement this as a rule.

This sounds really good because it would make some ze maps.work out.. but what if them knowing that theres no way of to save there rank leads them to just sit in spec and we won't have help at all...

You see... you new admins have a very serious problem with your ability to fucking read. I swear to god.

Other - Rules that have no particular grouping but needed

First Zombie(s) must tag someone or make a valid attempt
Spectating or AFK players must, if over 5 minutes, must join the game or leave the server
During escape maps, humans must leave the spawn area and complete the map objective. Humans that stay in spawn with the intent on killing the first zombie is prohibited.
Zombies and Humans can not coexist. Zombies must tag or !ztele no matter the circumstances
A player may not, by any means, bypass the tagging process to continually play as a zombie
Any form of rank manipulation will not be tolerated

What do you see in this section of the rules? Your leaders here at IBIS are not morons... im sure their is a written rule to cover just about any exploit you can think of.

If you still dont know how to read rules ill type it for you. Players can not sit in spectate for more then 5 min without leaving the server or joining the game. This means that players who sit in spectate for an entire map... should be delt with if you are an admin.

[anex]

This thread is not about making suicide illegal. It is and will always be legal. This thread is to discuss losing rank points upon suicide.

[Meltdown]

This thread is not about making suicide illegal. It is and will always be legal. This thread is to discuss losing rank points upon suicide.

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It will always happen on accident that people die, you can hardly punish that. the same when people die on accident when they forgot to !ztele. it's a risk you take by playing the map, no chicken way out anymore.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

This thread is not about making suicide illegal. It is and will always be legal. This thread is to discuss losing rank points upon suicide.

I understand but to reduce rank points for such a thing under the assumption that players are doing it on purpose is still a form of punishment. What is being proposed here is that everyone who meets an un timely death at the fate of long falls or death water will be subjected to a ridiculous point loss. Id like to think that more people simply miss jump or fail jump. Another example is space station. I watched as the secret door to the Xwing opened.... 60% of the humans had no idea about the exploding floor. They all died as a "form of suicide." Did they die on purpose? No. Would they all lose a ridiculous amount of points for not knowing? Under this proposal, yes. In never ending attempts to keep the game fair, i do not see this as a productive change.

If the power here can not be wavered by what i say. Giving - points to players who die via suicide is not the answer. Simply make a change that only allows team win points to those who are alive. Players shouldn't LOSE points from the pool they have already earned because of simple mistakes like missing a jump ect.

[Meltdown]

I understand but to reduce rank points for such a thing under the assumption that players are doing it on purpose is still a form of punishment. What is being proposed here is that everyone who meets an un timely death at the fate of long falls or death water will be subjected to a ridiculous point loss. Id like to think that more people simply miss jump or fail jump. Another example is space station. I watched as the secret door to the Xwing opened.... 60% of the humans had no idea about the exploding floor. They all died as a "form of suicide." Did they die on purpose? No. Would they all lose a ridiculous amount of points for not knowing? Under this proposal, yes. In never ending attempts to keep the game fair, i do not see this as a productive change.

If the power here can not be wavered by what i say. Giving - points to players who die via suicide is not the answer. Simply make a change that only allows team win points to those who are alive. Players shouldn't LOSE points from the pool they have already earned because of simple mistakes like missing a jump ect.

So people who work hard to break a cade, where some zombies die, to simple see humans kill themselfs is also not fair. The rules apply to everyone meaning it will affect everyone, so it is in no way unfair, everyone accedantly fall sometimes, you lose points, get over it and try again. People who get angry over that simple shouldn't be playing.

How the system is now is unfair, those who play casual and those who are new are basicly being abused by those who know every cheap secret. Also the reason why some maps are over played is because of this, this outcome will balance allot of things. so it is a win win situation, the only group who would lose here is those who hug there rank and do everything in there power to deny people there kills.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

So people who work hard to break a cade, where some zombies die, to simple see humans kill themselfs is also not fair. The rules apply to everyone meaning it will affect everyone, so it is in no way unfair, everyone accedantly fall sometimes, you lose points, get over it and try again. People who get angry over that simple shouldn't be playing.

How the system is now is unfair, those who play casual and those who are new are basicly being abused by those who know every cheap secret. Also the reason why some maps are over played is because of this, this outcome will balance allot of things. so it is a win win situation, the only group who would lose here is those who hug there rank and do everything in there power to deny people there kills.

90% of that post is hardly legible. What you fail to understand is my last sentence in my previous post. Secondly, if a player is committing suicide in a cade that was broken... that is already against the rules. I cant think of a single cade you can build that would allow you to commit suicide without using console to do it. Your paranoia is ruining your better judgment. As it stand right now, you are hysterically claiming that every one who frequents ZM vote and play only maps they can jump to there death in. That is completely absurd.

[Meltdown]

90% of that post is hardly legible. What you fail to understand is my last sentence in my previous post. Secondly, if a player is committing suicide in a cade that was broken... that is already against the rules. I cant think of a single cade you can build that would allow you to commit suicide without using console to do it. Your paranoia is ruining your better judgment. As it stand right now, you are hysterically claiming that every one who frequents ZM vote and play only maps they can jump to there death in. That is completely absurd.

And thaths why so many agree.... Mikey this is not about me, keep that in mind. I will give you one cade, desert foretress secret room with the teleport, if it fails people throw themselfs from the roof when they get teleported, and it is qa bitch ass spot to get.

U think it is absurd, still it happens, and if you think it is not happening, then all i can say i respect your opinion. Most people agree that this is absolute fair mechanism.

[sup]

Playing escape maps and suiciding instead of getting tagged = cheap.

Playing cade maps and building impossible cades, then getting noobs trapped in them to whore kills because they don't know how to get themselves unstuck (this is really how 99% of the "pro" ZM players play cade maps) = totally not cheap at all.

All Meltdown's suggestion would do, if implemented, would be to make cade maps vastly more attractive to rank whores. Which, I think, is exactly what he wants. Notice that the people in support (peter, euronews) also prefer ZM to ZE.

Here's a counter-suggestion if you really want to stop rank-whoring and make people play "normally", no matter what map: get rid of rank entirely, or remove point penalties entirely.

Edit: to add one more piece of information for context, for people who don't play ZM frequently: it is impossible to use a console command to suicide after zombies have spawned if you're a human or a spawn zombie (unless you're an admin and you just slay yourself). If you attempt to type "kill" in console after the server has selected the players who will be zombies, it will say "suicide intercepted" and stop you. Same for attempting to go into spectate or switch teams.

[Meltdown]

I think zero can implant it in such a way that some stuff are not affected by it.

And i do not see why we suddenly will play more zm because of this, people still would mass vote lotro maps or death star or indiana jones.