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Originally Posted by phil.
I actualyl think that we can't rule out the last option... there are a number of games on mafiascum with this setup. and this is a beginner game.. Nem might have made it overly simple as an intro. I personally think with the setup is going to be either 2,3 or 4 as 1 seems more advanced.. saying that I think town needs to lynch day 1. I keep my vote on hoshiro.
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The close-lynch to Hoshiro would've meant another repeat of last game's day one where Hoshiro didn't really say anything and goes splat. It's not his fault, and it's not necessarily the "wrong" move to do. But it's weird seeing people accept their fate like that. It's like watching a vagalion (me) flying around the map getting ready to stab you after multiple left clicks and dashes through you. Yes you have a lace, but i give no fucks. You caught me and killed me? All you notice is I revive and come back as fast as I can because I give 0 fucks, and all you can do is scream "damnit wolf stahp pls, trying to kill your team."
I think I got it pretty close though, free to add anything if anyone sees fit.
Wolf you really lost me on the second part of your explanation...
IBIS 31337
Assassin, the worst thing that could happen is we out a power role. The best thing that could happen is we lynch Scum. The most likely thing to happen is we lynch a VT.
That said, I actually just realized that most mafiascum games start with an odd number of people! That is why they say no lynch on day 1 is a bad idea. In our case starting with an even number of people, it can actually be better to wait! Boy, I thought I was actually getting the hang of this game.
With 8 people and a lynch today, we would have 6 tomorrow, 4 to lynch. Assuming we also lynch tomorrow, we would have 4 remaining with 2 to lynch. That means after 2 mislynches, town would lose.
With 8 people and no lynch today, we would have 7 tomorrow with 4 to lynch. If we lynch tomorrow, we would have 5 remaining with 3 to lynch. Mafia would win the following night.
Statistically, we could wait a day since we only have 2 mislynches before we lose anyway you cut it. If there actually is a Cop, we would have an extra night of investigations, although the first would be completely blind whereas votes give fairly useful information as to who to investigate. That said, if there is no cop we would gain a slight statistical advantage of hitting scum day 2 with a no lynch. A lynch today would have 2 in 8 odds of hitting scum, a lynch tomorrow would have 2 in 7 odds.
I would be willing to switch to no lynch if what I just said made any sense. I only got around an hour of sleep and am about to pass out. See you all in the morning!
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Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed. -Mark Twain
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Hm..what pass says does make sense. But I'm still a bit confused.
Let me try to understand...
You said that no lynching is not good, but with that explanation with probability, no lynch is now good. Right?
I wanna see if other people actually agree with this. I feel, that without a lynch, it's easier for mafia, no?
IBIS 31337
I'm pretty sure I'm correct in that most typical setups have an odd number of people for day 1. Even numbered groups typically get a night start if what I have read is accurate. Since it is an even numbered day start, I'm pretty sure town can do a no lynch and not be worse for the wear in terms of how many mislynches they get before losing.
Just make sure I didn't make a mistake in my exhaustion XD Don't know how I haven't passed out yet. I must have gotten my 5th wind.
What: my life skills use meat
Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed. -Mark Twain
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No lynch is never a good idea day 1, regardless how many players. This I learned last game. Well what I learned was don't switch from NL to "thinking you may lynch". We take our chances, shoot for the best at mafia.
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Voting hosh is not the way to go either.
If you all are "town" we agree as town on Day 1. Don't go you separate ways on this game. Too little people to make a lynch wagon.
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Real quick question nem, you or a vet player gonna explain what we are doing right and wrong and interpretations at the end of the game? Or while we go with it?
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When people are about to die and they are choosing to want to live or accept it freely, before that last vote hits and everyone knows the player is watching and waiting for it; you want to look at the little things. For you, you didn't really react at all last time it happened, nor did you react much this time either. You just were like "Well I guess I'll be the sacrifice the Town wants because Town chose this. I don't know what's going on at the moment. Wheeeeeeeee". When everyone backed off you, I can only imagine a "what just happened?" look popped up on your face. It's not that somebody is afraid of doing the hammer, rather the one that does the hammer is the killer in the end. The people encouraging to hammer is what we also would have to look at, as there is only 2 mafia members in this set-up (if that's what I've been reading correctly?)
There's info right there alone that appears for day one. That's what Townies need to look at. There will be patterns in the lynch votes telling us who is scum and who isn't. Even if we don't have a cop, pay attention to the one trying to lead, and then the sheep that follow. Pick the people you want to trust, and the people that you don't want to trust so much. Hell I could be mafia and saying all this out of my ass (which would be an amazing feat). I'm not saying to trust me as I may stab you in the back later, or do trust me and I'll help prod you back into picking somebody more worthwhile.
Guess for now - stay alive hoshiro. Your vote will be most appreciated.
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You, or anyone, can ask me what I think about something and I can tell you the pros and cons. After the game any of the regs can comment on what they think.
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You, or anyone, can ask me what I think about something and I can tell you the pros and cons. After the game any of the regs can comment on what they think.
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For this little people day 1, we should have a time limit.
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