Apocalypse: Political Tides Open Game

[Assassin]

it really is, but i'm not the one who assigned me this role.

most interesting to me is this: how the hell did mafia know cyber was the journo?

Good question.

[Passarelli]

Most likely by how he pushed on Nem, especially after he claimed. Was probably a lucky guess.

I wish the caroler could hear himself sing Q.Q

Well, if the list is correct, I'm not scum and Sin isn't scum (most likely) and that means Blade is. Blade has also been absurdly quiet and didn't even place a vote day 1.

Vote BladeTwinSwords

Looks like town stands a chance even though Cyber died! Watch him be jester >_>

[Trigger Unhappy]

I disagree about the name dropping. Feel free to disagree but when I see the names that the Carol provided I automatically hone in on Blade. The reason being, I know I am town, and I have very good suspicion that Sin is as well. If I understand the Epic mafia role, at least 1 of those names has to be mafia. That leaves blade.

[Passarelli]

I misread the carol, lawl. Still, Blade being so inactive makes me very suspicious.

Also of note, Trigger has only posted once in this thread and that was filler (pretty sure anyway, it's harder to tell when 3 games are going on). Sadly, neither of them voted for Nemesis.

Sin, if we shouldn't go by the carol, what do you think we should go by?

[brett friggin favre]

I disagree about the name dropping. Feel free to disagree but when I see the names that the Carol provided I automatically hone in on Blade. The reason being, I know I am town, and I have very good suspicion that Sin is as well. If I understand the Epic mafia role, at least 1 of those names has to be mafia. That leaves blade.

we haven't yet considered the possibility that sin is also mafia, and is working with nem to make us lynch pass/blade/you. he could've put his own name in there to allay suspicion. sin isn't cleared, i visited him because he was the best chance i had at hitting a VT but it's still a shot in the dark.

nem's name dropping means nothing. there's some kind of fallacy in there, wherein the endless mind games between what we'd expect and how he'd react and how we'd expect his reaction and therefore change our expectations etc,. (cyber went into this a bit). he could've dropped 2 townie names, hoping that one would come through in the carol.

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note: i ought to be able to get another carol out tonight. then it'd actually be useful, right now it's just nem's names and sin's.

[Passarelli]

Do you think we should no lynch then? I don't have time to work out the statistics, heading to bed in a few. I'll be back tomorrow night.

Till then, I guess

Unvote TwinBladeSwords

[brett friggin favre]

a no-lynch may be our best option today. getting nem yesterday was a great start, don't wanna hit a townie today. my plan:

i will visit someone else tonight. i will not announce who, that would make whoever i announce an obvious mafia target.

if the person i visit posts names from my song, compare them. hopefully only one will overlap from sin's post. if only one matches up, lynch that person. if they're not mafia, either sin or the person i visit tonight is mafia. if more than one matches up, figure that out when the time comes. if no names match up, either sin or the person i visit tonight is mafia.

if nobody posts names from my song, gg, i picked scum.

i doubt finding cyber was a lucky guess. if it was between taking out the caroler or making a random guess, they'd take out the caroler any day of the week. the whole thing makes me more suspicious of sin, who was the first to state that whoever i visited was the stalker and to vote for nem "randomly". could've overreacted to mikey's usage of the word "assailant" and tried to bus him, then realizing there were other ways to read the flavor, backed off.

[Assassin]

a no-lynch may be our best option today. getting nem yesterday was a great start, don't wanna hit a townie today. my plan:

i will visit someone else tonight. i will not announce who, that would make whoever i announce an obvious mafia target.

if the person i visit posts names from my song, compare them. hopefully only one will overlap from sin's post. if only one matches up, lynch that person. if they're not mafia, either sin or the person i visit tonight is mafia. if more than one matches up, figure that out when the time comes. if no names match up, either sin or the person i visit tonight is mafia.

if nobody posts names from my song, gg, i picked scum.

i doubt finding cyber was a lucky guess. if it was between taking out the caroler or making a random guess, they'd take out the caroler any day of the week. the whole thing makes me more suspicious of sin, who was the first to state that whoever i visited was the stalker and to vote for nem "randomly". could've overreacted to mikey's usage of the word "assailant" and tried to bus him, then realizing there were other ways to read the flavor, backed off.

Sin has been nothing but helpful to us to be honest, I think you are reaching a bit there. I'm with pass on this one, blade has been really quiet this whole time. Blade care to respond? If not I'm thinking vote him.

[Sin]

we haven't yet considered the possibility that sin is also mafia, and is working with nem to make us lynch pass/blade/you. he could've put his own name in there to allay suspicion. sin isn't cleared, i visited him because he was the best chance i had at hitting a VT but it's still a shot in the dark.

nem's name dropping means nothing. there's some kind of fallacy in there, wherein the endless mind games between what we'd expect and how he'd react and how we'd expect his reaction and therefore change our expectations etc,. (cyber went into this a bit). he could've dropped 2 townie names, hoping that one would come through in the carol.

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note: i ought to be able to get another carol out tonight. then it'd actually be useful, right now it's just nem's names and sin's.

I'm not sure where Pass' name got thrown in the mix, the carol clearly didn't state his name, but you're absolutely right I am not cleared yet. Maf did get lucky and hit the Journo, but Cyber was being a little bit obvious in Day 1, and as we were the only ones really bringing anything to the table he was one of the obvious choices.

Yes, considering Nem's list of names would be WIFOM at best. No point in even remembering them as they're more than likely bullshit, disregarding what happened in the League of Legends game.

a no-lynch may be our best option today. getting nem yesterday was a great start, don't wanna hit a townie today. my plan:

i will visit someone else tonight. i will not announce who, that would make whoever i announce an obvious mafia target.

if the person i visit posts names from my song, compare them. hopefully only one will overlap from sin's post. if only one matches up, lynch that person. if they're not mafia, either sin or the person i visit tonight is mafia. if more than one matches up, figure that out when the time comes. if no names match up, either sin or the person i visit tonight is mafia.

if nobody posts names from my song, gg, i picked scum.

i doubt finding cyber was a lucky guess. if it was between taking out the caroler or making a random guess, they'd take out the caroler any day of the week. the whole thing makes me more suspicious of sin, who was the first to state that whoever i visited was the stalker and to vote for nem "randomly". could've overreacted to mikey's usage of the word "assailant" and tried to bus him, then realizing there were other ways to read the flavor, backed off.

I like the plan of no-lynching as Blade could either be the Fool/Jester or maf, as well as Trigger. And I hate lynching off of ONE carol.

To correct you Brett, if the person you visit tonight doesn't out the Carol, they could also be the Fool trying to get a lynch as you'd most likely OUT that person as suspect. Bear that in mind.

And Cyber obviously wasn't a "lucky" guess as I stated above. He, you and I were the main contributors to any sort of strategy going forward, and out of the (3) of us taking me out would have proven useless as the Carol would still have been seen (most likely) by the Journo. Taking you out would have still gotten the Carol out by Me, but going for the Journalist as a revenge ploy (because we took out the Stalker) was their best bet at hindering us further.

You can't carol me again tonight, so you'd have to choose someone else, that someone could possibly be maf so it was a pretty calculated attack last night.

Then again, looking into the "why" of a nightkill is counter-productive more often than not.

Bottom line is, whoever you choose to carol, BETTER be town-aligned or it's going to be a war of attrition. You're dead tonght Brett, unless Mafia is stupid, and that leaves our only other ace in our sleeve, being the LoudMouth, which will only net us ONE mafia. The rest of the game will just be an old fashioned scumhunt.

Sin has been nothing but helpful to us to be honest, I think you are reaching a bit there. I'm with pass on this one, blade has been really quiet this whole time. Blade care to respond? If not I'm thinking vote him.

I'm not sure how I feel about you not even questioning me, Assassin. As well as shrugging off a no-lynch opportunity to push for a lynch on a potential Jester.

Why are you focused on Blade? Why is noone else (aside from Brett) curious about Trigger or Me?

Discussion people. We need it.

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I just realized you couldn't out the person you caroled as suspect since you'll be dead. Fucking coffee breaks getting my mind off track.

[Trigger Unhappy]

Actually last night while I was thinking about it, I realized what Brett meant. You are correct that those three names could be falsified with Sin throwing his name in to give it legitimacy. However, If we prove that Sin is town oriented, then in my mind, the only conclusion is Blade is mafia.