Apocalypse: Political Tides Open Game

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mikey, as I tried to say when I confirmed, I signed up 3 hours before you made this post. Now, given that was 7 hours before you opened the thread, I guess what you're saying is you're slow as all hell and it takes you 14 hours to make a thread. If that's the case, I concede the point.

As for your earlier post that had nothing to do with my post it was replying to, ok then. I never talked about N1 kills. I even said I don't mind N0 kills, but as I was responding to Sin's comment on fun, I mentioned that it wasn't fun. However, if you really want someone to run your candy land setup, just give me some more explanation and I'll run it, but I don't think anyone else would want to play that stupid of a game.

You creid about how M0 starts suck because it isnt any fun for the person who gets killed first.
My reply was sarcasm.... As in, people get killed in this game. If you cant handle a simple mechanic like that, dont play them.

Cyber, dont pretend to know anything about setups when you have hardly played mafia to begin with. I admitted that there may be some tweaks made to make this setup more forum friendly. Starting with adding an agent or using a MF spy. Also, fool being added changed nothing in regards to balance and if anything, was put in play to hopfully deter town from doing exactly what they did. To instead communicate and work together. Something this game accomplished far better than others.

[Blackmage]

You creid about how M0 starts suck because it isnt any fun for the person who gets killed first.
My reply was sarcasm.... As in, people get killed in this game. If you cant handle a simple mechanic like that, dont play them.

Cyber, dont pretend to know anything about setups when you have hardly played mafia to begin with. I admitted that there may be some tweaks made to make this setup more forum friendly. Starting with adding an agent or using a MF spy. Also, fool being added changed nothing in regards to balance and if anything, was put in play to hopfully deter town from doing exactly what they did. To instead communicate and work together. Something this game accomplished far better than others.

I don't really enjoy insulting you, but, are you really that stupid? Let's look through what happened. Sin says Fool shouldn't be used because it's not fun. I reply that the same can be said about n0 kill (that it's not fun). Sin says that n0 is the best. I explain how dying before you can do anything is not fun. You jump in, choosing to ignore the context of the conversation, being insulting, not replying to a single thing in the conversation.

Now, let's look at my post that you replied to. Let's look at that last line. It begins "As a note, I'm not saying I don't like N0 start." Hey look, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you just said. I know dying is part of the game. Dying N1 (or even D1) means you at least had a chance to do something. You know, play the game, having a chance to have fun. However, dying N0 means you may have sent in one order. Most roles, you get to do NOTHING to affect the game. Investigator, most Healers, VT and most French Vanilla Townies, day roles. Please, tell me if you'd have any fun playing any of these roles and dying N0?

I knew that game was a joke, which is why I replied in kind. However, your reply wasn't "sarcasm". It was just "ignorant".

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I don't really enjoy insulting you, but, are you really that stupid? Let's look through what happened. Sin says Fool shouldn't be used because it's not fun. I reply that the same can be said about n0 kill (that it's not fun). Sin says that n0 is the best. I explain how dying before you can do anything is not fun. You jump in, choosing to ignore the context of the conversation, being insulting, not replying to a single thing in the conversation.

Now, let's look at my post that you replied to. Let's look at that last line. It begins "As a note, I'm not saying I don't like N0 start." Hey look, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you just said. I know dying is part of the game. Dying N1 (or even D1) means you at least had a chance to do something. You know, play the game, having a chance to have fun. However, dying N0 means you may have sent in one order. Most roles, you get to do NOTHING to affect the game. Investigator, most Healers, VT and most French Vanilla Townies, day roles. Please, tell me if you'd have any fun playing any of these roles and dying N0?

I knew that game was a joke, which is why I replied in kind. However, your reply wasn't "sarcasm". It was just "ignorant".

incorrect on all accounts. You are complaining and bashing a game because you dislike N0 starts. I respond with something very simple. If you cant handle dying in a mafia game, dont play it.

I mean, it is pretty simple.

Secondly, this game is one of the best games we have ever had that depicts conversation, progressiveness, and strategy. I dont deny and have already openly stated that this game could be slightly modified to better suited to forums. even if i personally think it wasnt all to imbalanced to begin with. The game ended the way it did, not because of the setup but because of how the players decided to go about lynching trigger. If you deny that, you should refrain from playing future games.

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for the record, blades game was N0, i was the first to die. You dont see me QQing, do you? Just because i died first, dosnt mean blades game is crap. Perhaps the problem is a character issue. You are butt hurt and resorted to attacking a game id like to think most people actually enjoyed, because you died first.

[CYBER]

blackmage, tbh, as much as i hate agreeing with mikey ever, i will agree on ONE thing.
im actualyl starting to like this N0 start because let's face it... the day1 start every fucking game was reduced to the SAME conversation of "oh do we lynch or no lynch", " no lynching is not good, u must be scum for suggesting it" , "no im not i suggest it each game", "ok nevermind then, so who should we lynch", *5 days later*, "so who do we lynch????", "random vote", "not random vote but im voting X bcos fuck that guy", "tihi i vote Y bcos he voted me", etc.. Then some random idiot (usually a new guy, because lets face it, who will ever lynch a veteran day 1?) will get lynched with no actual info, and then night 1 starts.


Night 0 has the benefit of providing some info, in this case, the caroler actually hit a stalker from night 0.



Mikey, i know u're an idiot and dumb as fuck, but no, i wasn't COMPLETELY bashing ur game.
Notice how i joked at first that i was going to regret playing ur game , but with the events that happeend and our few talks on steam ,i told u " u know what? i'm actually liking this game for now" (around the time where brett called out nemesis).

So no. im not bashing the entire SETUP of your game, because let's face it, most of it was a rip off from some high rank game, which is fine, perfectly fine really. But i was only saying that because of the FORUM format, it didn't work out as much as it would have been had it been played on EM automatic system where RSing and other shit was easier to pull off.

The game is fine, and i KNOW u told me before privately how an agent would have been better if added to town after i specifically told u that a spy writing to a "Traitor" directly felt a bit op because of the cheer uselessness of having a traitor if immediately picked up by mafia.
and u AGREED with me, or i agreed with u, wtvr the point was : the setup was ok, IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER with a few tweaks, but it was OK at best.

Like sin said, perhaps with a few twists here and there, we can REPLAY that setup of urs.
Hell, if you give me PERMISSION, i would host the SAME setup, with perhaps 2-3 tweaks to it to see if it can work out differently.
If it does, then that means that the original core setup is fine, and u did fine, and it was the forums format that recked it.


Someone suggested an interesting "Tweak" on the spy.
and it was : if u are going to allow the EM version of spy (daytime talk, directly to traitor, etc), to actually force a post restriction where "if u decide to use ur abilities during a day phase, u are forbidden from writing in that same day phase".
This would use the same mechanics u had this game, but would also drop some interesting FOS at the quiet guy of being the spy. u know?
i mean it's just a suggestion, and it wasn't mine, i dnt know who said it, but i liked it.



anywho... all in all, losers will always bitch. i can bitch if i wanted to, but instead i WILL say that Sin outplayed me hard, and i have to give him props for that.
Hell when i died, i actually TALKED TO HIM asking him for tips and hints on where i did wrong and how he figured me out and where he outplayed me.

Just because i didn't actually say that publicly until now, doesn't mean that i am not willing to learn. I have said it a lot: i am NOT the best player around here in this game, nor will i ever claim to be, i tend to fuck up a lot, which is fine, because i only played like what? 3-4 games? but hosted all the others?
anywho, all in all, sin played gr8, i applaud him for that.

As for nemesis? just another case of him fucking up, losing his shit, blaming the mod, and then his team miraculously pull a victory and then nemesis claiming it as if he did all the work. THAT bothers me, i dnt care if i lose, i just hate when ppl who win claim they did all the work.


In the donner game , i won, and i nailed pass investigation from the start (u guys thought i was following him? but i was fuckin baiting him, hence why i investigated him u dumb fucks, then i voted trig on gut instinct on a line he said, cant remebmer what, but wtvr. then i called blade on his scummy suicide tell the nxt day... i was right woopty fucking do, i fucked up with mikey, and SIN saved the game. But u wont see me going "oh sin didnt do jack shit, i was the cop, i made the plays....
I fucked up in donner in the end, we won eitherway, but not bcos of me, that's why i was bitching about nem's "i am the god" attitude....

as for ur setup, it needed a few tweaks, but i am neutral about it now, it could have gone eitherway, and when we play this again, we will seee what happens.

[Blackmage]

Cyber: If you missed it, maybe there's a reason Mikey missed it :P I enjoy N0 start. What I don't like is DYING N0. The topic of contention was "jester is unfun, why use it" so I said "N0 is unfun to the one who dies".

As a note: I have asked for a bulletproof vest in the past. I've died to lynching, twice, and both as Mafia. I've been shot in almost every game I've played :P

[CYBER]

Cyber: If you missed it, maybe there's a reason Mikey missed it :P I enjoy N0 start. What I don't like is DYING N0. The topic of contention was "jester is unfun, why use it" so I said "N0 is unfun to the one who dies".

As a note: I have asked for a bulletproof vest in the past. I've died to lynching, twice, and both as Mafia. I've been shot in almost every game I've played :P

let's face it.. u only died in those because brett wasn't in the game hahahaha...

someone needed to be the Brett scapegoat i guess

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oh and btw. since there's only 1 active game now.
Tom has a setup ready for a while, and he asked me to contact him when there's less games and less confusion. i will ask him to post the sign up thread.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Cyber: If you missed it, maybe there's a reason Mikey missed it :P I enjoy N0 start. What I don't like is DYING N0. The topic of contention was "jester is unfun, why use it" so I said "N0 is unfun to the one who dies".

As a note: I have asked for a bulletproof vest in the past. I've died to lynching, twice, and both as Mafia. I've been shot in almost every game I've played :P

you are a current fan of breaking down posts. So let us break down you... oh wait. you completely contradicted yourself and at the same time, proved all of my points.

1. you argued that N0 is shit. Fact.
2. You argued further that my setup was shit because of N0. Fact.
3. you latter admit, N0 is good and i dont hate it. Fact
4. Thus leaving your reaction and response, suspect to emotional reaction. Fact.

[Blackmage]

Ok, your first "fact" is almost true. Not a fact, but almost. I argued that it's unfun for the one who dies. Not that it's shit.

Your second "fact", source please. I said I didn't have fun, which, as you say, is a fact. However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SETUP.

Third is another almost true "fact". There was no "later". I quote admitted unquote in the first post I talked about the cons of N0 lynch. I also never said jack diddly about what you thought about a N0 lynch.

Your fourth "fact" has nothing to do with anything. It can't be a fact, because it would require the prior points to be true.

Maybe a full fact in there. Good job? Oh wait, there was another almost true fact there. I like breaking down posts. However, I link to relevant posts to prove my points, not just say "fact" and hope no one fact checks.

Sin: D1 lynch, is different from N0 kill. You've done something. You've played the game. You made your case to not be lynched. While it's not fun to be killed at all, at least you have had a chance to have had some fun before you did it. Having a "meaningful death" is unrelated to fun also. Yes, we do D1 wrong, I've complained about that in the past.

Edit: I have asked, did you have fun dying N0 twice. You've ignored it twice. If you choose to ignore it again, I will assume you're saying you just can't admit you're wrong, and thank you for proving my point, with your whole point being the obfuscation of this fact.