Mafia Game: Monster Mash (Hosted by Sin and What)

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

did you really mean that nothing worth responding to had been said?

Can you quote me saying this?
You know, do it in your long super post.

Im waiting to see that quote.

[Blackmage]

Trigger: There's no push. A. I enjoy this. B. Nothing is happening. C. If there WAS a push, we're in Random Vote Stage anyway, so why not? D. This is getting people to talk. E. I admitted I was wrong here but Mikey wanted to continue, so I obliged.

Mikey: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...341#post187341 If his quote was your response, as you said, " Also Mikey, there wasn't really anything useful to say at that point, so I figured I'd post something rather then nothing."

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I just figured it out... You're saying his post was what brought out the first post! And you're still wrong! It even makes my first reply even MORE correct than before. That helps SOOO much, thanks.

Anyone who understands Mikey, I salute you.

[Assassin]

/popcorn

[Blackmage]

First thing's first. There's a TL;DR at the end.

I will get started.

My post Here.

This post completely neglected me saying " Why not continue to scum hunt knowing your pool of suspects is even smaller." The conversation revolved around lynching a known vt or at least one that claimed to be vt. Therefor, your reason for lynching the person who claimed vt is based solely off the fact that you think one of two things.. 1. They are vt or 2. they are maf. Given the latter, my statement revolved around letting people know that, despite knowing who we will lynch, we shouldn't prematurely lynch. Prematuraly as in.. rush it and quick lynch.

Again, you ignored that part of my post you replied to. Thus, i came to a general and quick conclusion that you were subtly suggesting more people vote for minj. You know the guy who had not even claimed VT to begin with.

You're 100% correct. I ignored that part. I agree. Don't lynch someone you trust. If you trust them, hunt elsewhere. My problem was in the premise. Just because you're willing to lynch a VT doesn't mean you trust them. My point was, the willingness to hit a VT has nothing to do with trusting their claim.

Also, as you say, minj hasn't claimed VT, so how am I pushing to have someone who doesn't fall into that category? 1+1 != i However, I will admit I would not have minded people voting for Minj, someone who had not claimed yet.

Here is your question you claimed i never responded too
"I'm now just curious what made you bring that up?"
First response
In this post was passes quote voting minjae and saying he wouldn't mind lynching a vt.
"There you go. Next time do it yourself you lazy fig."

Try "Next time, find it yourself." The problem I had was that you said "do it" which involves an action. As I was asking your THOUGHTS, there was never any action for me to take. Second, see my response to your first post explaining why you're wrong.

Second response


My third time now. Pass voted minjae while simultaneously stating that he wouldnt mind lynching a VT. The vote combined with that statement suggests that he assumes minjae is VT. If that is the case, i suggested it would be wise not to try and end the day fast. To wait a bit longer.

You see, if you'd actually used your words to make it clear like that, we'd have skipped to me calling you slow for other reasons! Like I said, not minding lynching a VT doesn't mean you assume they're VT. You are ONLY assuming that they aren't a town PR. It is the same exact claim a scum would make. Saying A does not neccisarily mean B. It MAY, but it is not REQUIRED. Secondly, no one was trying to end the day, quickly or not. We had 4 votes on Minj. One was your RVS. One was mine, based upon him (probably accidentally) soft claiming NOT Seer/Faith Healer. No one has even asked anyone else to vote. Plus, we haven't even gotten to L-1 or gotten a claim from Minj, which means we WOULD need more votes, since he's come out and said he has NOT soft claimed.

Now, as for the "my lying" portion. You are still incorrect and it is very clear given your reluctant behavior to stop this berating..

I admitted I was wrong here, but you said I was wrong about being wrong. I was more than willing to stop, you're the one who wouldn't let it go. You decided, rather than letting it go, to try to insult me again, lie about me, and say you meant what you said, which was not what you're saying you said.

that you are blind sided and skipping posts.

Do I really need to go through every line of every post and say "I agree with this" or "this doesn't matter with your premise being wrong" when replying to you?

That statement of mine is not a lie, it is an opinion, the way i view a persons behaviour. Did i use the word trust loosely? Perhaps but it does not negate the fact that it is an opinion and therefore can not be a lie.

It is presented as a fact. As you said it does NOT have any errors in semantics, you're NOW lying, because it's NOT posed as an opinion, and therefore CAN be a lie.

Secondly, this "lie" is your only talking point and the base of all your attacks on me. When in reality, even if it was questionable, it is miniscule and HARDLY worth noting at all. Its in relation to theory and how one person reads a player vs another.

Quite right. However, when someone is so bullheaded, and we are in RVS, it's as good of a lead as any.

So i conclude this blackmage, given your behavior.

You are not a town power role nor a town team. You would not be so vocal and childish if you were.

My past games would disagree with you.

I also personally conclude that you are not a werewolf, for the reason just stated.

That leaves VT and mafia. I do not think you are VT and here is why.
You were the first person to post. Your post was a very obvious post about what to do and not to do. By coming out the gate with "helpful advice" you attempted to win hearts and mines.
Why would you do that? Because as mafia, who can not night kill.. your only way to win is lead lynches on townies and werewolves. Your chance at winning is greatly reduced if you are not in charge or being listened to by a majority of town.
What you are doing right now is bashing me with senseless reasons.

If you are a VT then you are playing really bad and i suggest you let it go.

Wait, it's a scum play to make good plays? I'm rendered speechless. Also, why is it bad to push someone in the first day?

Your best post!

Why thank you.

had i said you contradicted yourself without cutting out the specific part and quoted it, im afraid you may not have understood. It is what you are asking of me, correct? to quote just the specific parts of posts?

Um, I don't see you saying I contradicted myself anywhere. I honestly DO NOT understand what you mean here.

"You were trying to reply to my post by quoting someone else, using their entire quote instead of just the relevant portions."
alas, you did.

Wat?

Im done with this ridiculous argument.

Don't leave me, I'm loney!

Oh, some other notes, Mikey says that my first post should be obvious, and still seems to believe it. Here's a fun fact for you all. In the first game Ibis did with Masons (Pokemon) Mikey outted his Mason buddy, before he'd even confirmed for this reason! You see, it wasn't obvious for him after 4 games, and yet it seems he thinks it SHOULD be obvious for everyone.

Mikey, as much fun as it was to watch you, you've already convinced yourself you've "figured out" what I am, and I have my suspicions of what you are. As such, unless someone else wants us to continue this, I think we're done here. Much longer and I think I'd just get bored.

TL;DR Mikey used Mikey Language, I corrected him. He clarifies, I admit I was wrong. He answers a question of mine in Mikey Language, insults me and declares I wasn't wrong enough. Knowning exactly what he meant, I poke the bear and have some fun for the next few hours, mostly trying to teach him proper english. Eventually, after 3 attempts, he clarifies one of the piece of Mikey Langauge I didn't understand. He says he's done and I get bored, so I think this is "the end" on the game activity.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Trigger: There's no push. A. I enjoy this. B. Nothing is happening. C. If there WAS a push, we're in Random Vote Stage anyway, so why not? D. This is getting people to talk. E. I admitted I was wrong here but Mikey wanted to continue, so I obliged.

Mikey: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...341#post187341 If his quote was your response, as you said, " Also Mikey, there wasn't really anything useful to say at that point, so I figured I'd post something rather then nothing."

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I just figured it out... You're saying his post was what brought out the first post! And you're still wrong! It even makes my first reply even MORE correct than before. That helps SOOO much, thanks.

Anyone who understands Mikey, I salute you.

this post makes no sense. I quoted pass's post because he voted minjae and said "If he is a VT, no big loss." In response to his post, i caveat and said that even if we decide to lynch an outted VT, we should not rush it.

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i havnt had the opportunity to read your post yet.

[Blackmage]

The first half, I was still confused, it's wrong. You never said that. The second half is my Eureka moment, and is pointless in the light of my large post.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

First thing's first. There's a TL;DR at the end.



You're 100% correct. I ignored that part. I agree. Don't lynch someone you trust. If you trust them, hunt elsewhere. My problem was in the premise. Just because you're willing to lynch a VT doesn't mean you trust them. My point was, the willingness to hit a VT has nothing to do with trusting their claim.

Also, as you say, minj hasn't claimed VT, so how am I pushing to have someone who doesn't fall into that category? 1+1 != i However, I will admit I would not have minded people voting for Minj, someone who had not claimed yet.



Try "Next time, find it yourself." The problem I had was that you said "do it" which involves an action. As I was asking your THOUGHTS, there was never any action for me to take. Second, see my response to your first post explaining why you're wrong.




You see, if you'd actually used your words to make it clear like that, we'd have skipped to me calling you slow for other reasons! Like I said, not minding lynching a VT doesn't mean you assume they're VT. You are ONLY assuming that they aren't a town PR. It is the same exact claim a scum would make. Saying A does not neccisarily mean B. It MAY, but it is not REQUIRED. Secondly, no one was trying to end the day, quickly or not. We had 4 votes on Minj. One was your RVS. One was mine, based upon him (probably accidentally) soft claiming NOT Seer/Faith Healer. No one has even asked anyone else to vote. Plus, we haven't even gotten to L-1 or gotten a claim from Minj, which means we WOULD need more votes, since he's come out and said he has NOT soft claimed.



I admitted I was wrong here, but you said I was wrong about being wrong. I was more than willing to stop, you're the one who wouldn't let it go. You decided, rather than letting it go, to try to insult me again, lie about me, and say you meant what you said, which was not what you're saying you said.



Do I really need to go through every line of every post and say "I agree with this" or "this doesn't matter with your premise being wrong" when replying to you?



It is presented as a fact. As you said it does NOT have any errors in semantics, you're NOW lying, because it's NOT posed as an opinion, and therefore CAN be a lie.



Quite right. However, when someone is so bullheaded, and we are in RVS, it's as good of a lead as any.



My past games would disagree with you.




Wait, it's a scum play to make good plays? I'm rendered speechless. Also, why is it bad to push someone in the first day?



Why thank you.



Um, I don't see you saying I contradicted myself anywhere. I honestly DO NOT understand what you mean here.


Wat?



Don't leave me, I'm loney!

Oh, some other notes, Mikey says that my first post should be obvious, and still seems to believe it. Here's a fun fact for you all. In the first game Ibis did with Masons (Pokemon) Mikey outted his Mason buddy, before he'd even confirmed for this reason! You see, it wasn't obvious for him after 4 games, and yet it seems he thinks it SHOULD be obvious for everyone.

Mikey, as much fun as it was to watch you, you've already convinced yourself you've "figured out" what I am, and I have my suspicions of what you are. As such, unless someone else wants us to continue this, I think we're done here. Much longer and I think I'd just get bored.

TL;DR Mikey used Mikey Language, I corrected him. He clarifies, I admit I was wrong. He answers a question of mine in Mikey Language, insults me and declares I wasn't wrong enough. Knowning exactly what he meant, I poke the bear and have some fun for the next few hours, mostly trying to teach him proper english. Eventually, after 3 attempts, he clarifies one of the piece of Mikey Langauge I didn't understand. He says he's done and I get bored, so I think this is "the end" on the game activity.

Your inability to understand the English language frightens me.
This entire push is based around the premise that you think my opinion is fact. I enjoy the flattery but i don't need it.

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as i said, im not going to entertain your ridiculous banter any more. What you are doing is useless, you have changed your thoughts about this conversation, while i have been consistent. if you are town, it would be in your best interest to stop while you are ahead.

To appease you one last time, "do it" as in go find my reply to your question next time. You can read, i shouldn't have to do that for you.

[Blackmage]

Actually, this all happened because you were unable to admit you made an error in the semantics of your statement.

Your failure to understand basic english is also a problem. Let us go back a few posts. To, oh, say, post 102. Now, I know you have issues with what some words mean but, let me explain what the first 4 words mean. First, there is Trigger. That's someone's Name. Next, we have "There's". This is a contraction meaning "there is". It's suggesting that something happens. Next, we have "no" this is a negative. This, when added to the prior word, means that something is NOT happening. Finally, we have "push". This means, trying to get votes, in this context.

I'm telling trigger that I'm NOT pushing. Now, I know this is hard to understand, but it does have far reaching concequences. It means that the last statement you just made is false, because the premise is wrong. It's also wrong, because you came out and stated that your opinion is fact, but that's another lesson, for later.

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I wasn't asking for you to find a reply, I was asking for your thoughts. There was no action implied.

[Passarelli]

Mikey, I wasn't saying I trust him. In fact I do not trust him at all with that silly soft claiming bullshit. My point was that if he was softclaiming and a VT at that and you do not trust him, then he should definitely be the target to lynch before anyone else claims.

Blackmage got what I was saying 100%

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mikey, I wasn't saying I trust him. In fact I do not trust him at all with that silly soft claiming bullshit. My point was that if he was softclaiming and a VT at that and you do not trust him, then he should definitely be the target to lynch before anyone else claims.

Blackmage got what I was saying 100%

As i had previously stated a few posts back, the word "trust" may have been misplaced when trying to portray my opinion. The use of the word "trust" was not to convey absolute trust but "ssoft" or "claim" clear. As in, if someone claims VT, they are not 100% clear but for the time beining, provided they havnt done anything scummy, you have a lowered suspect pool and continue scum hunting on diffrent players. It is a common tactic im sure you are aware of, process of elimination. At the end, you will have a clear indication of what does and does not add up.

Additionally, minjae never claimed VT, when i was saying what i said, i was using rhetoric. Unless of course you interpreted is as minaje, thus proclaiming that you believed he soft claimed VT.