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    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas View Post
    ...a secular society, where women are allowed to hold positions of power, hold jobs, and be independent... the media allows you to speak your mind about the issues you want to discuss... That Americans don't force women to wear garb covering their entire body, and don't charge a woman with a crime for being raped... anti-conservative propaganda that you think every problem in the world is the United States' fault?
    I looked at both sides. I looked at Conservative and Liberals, republicans and democrats. I read books, watched a shit ton of documentaries. I read conspiracy theories about 9/11, I read books where they got debunked, then I read books where those debunks got debunked themselves. I read and watched books on politics, become obsessed with censorship in the United States. One string of information lead me to the next. The Conservative ideology is ludicrous. Conservatives EAT up the propaganda like crazy because a lot of them do not think for themselves. They believe whatever fox news tells them without giving it a second thought. Same thing with Liberals too. However, I am Libertarian so I do not really bother with that mess. I do not believe in any propaganda. I make my own conclusions based on several different things. But it seems however that you fall victim to propaganda as well because the only reason you seem to come up with is the standard, "Terrorists hate our freedom, women rights, blah blah" You know the usual stuff you hear from other conservatives.

    So really, forgive me for not really believing the conservative propaganda, that terrorists hate our freedom hur hur, that spews from the news networks and the Bush's administration. Anti-conservative propaganda? Really? I have the same tolerance for anti-conservative propaganda that I do for conservative propaganda. I don't even watch the news anymore because everything is biased. One news station telling me one thing, another telling me a different thing. Its bullshit. I get my news from independent sources that DON'T jam their political agendas down my throat.

    I don't think every problem in the World is caused by the US, but I feel like its the majority because of our former 3 administrations we have had.

    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas View Post
    Remember the 1993 bombings? This was planned over many years, simply because we as Americans had military forces in their country and the fact that the United States is a state which is satanic and anti-Muslim in their eyes.
    Repercussion of imperialism. Coming from this point of view, we had it coming because we pissed off a LOT of people and made enemies. So then your "The only people we have to blame are the terrorists because we did nothing to provoke them," excuse flies right out the fucking window.

    Coming from the conspiracy aspect, it could have been a test run for the devastation eight years later. Precursor to dealing with the rebellious state overseas and getting a stronger foot hold on the oil in that country. It might sound crazy but its ALWAYS a possibility. Don't ever rule out something just because you think that "it could never happen." Like we live in a fantasy world here.

    Previous governments in history like to do test runs of some events prior to see how the general population would react.

    Or the last aspect that they just woke up one day and said "Hey, ill bomb America today for no reason at all." Which is less likely then the conspiracy aspect.

    Problem - Reaction - Solution.

    "No shit it was planned."

    Woh man, that quote and the meaning behind it, just went right over your head. If you turn around you now, you can still catch it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas View Post
    Since 2001? Do you live under a rock?

    Also, all the loose change videos are bunk. Check out "Screw Loose Change" 2 and it completely trashes any argument they have.

    Seriously, if you quote Loose Change as an adequate source, your credibility is shot. I didn't even realize that people still believed that tripe.
    True. But then again Christmas its one of those things that been debunked by one person then someone else debunks that debunk then it gets to the point of credibility of the film in question. Which now is shot because its been debunked and undebunked so many times that you don't know if its true anymore. Plus its a youtube video made by some dude. That movie had almost no credability to begin with even if any of that information was true.

    We haven't heard anything about Osama because the government probably is still using him as an ACE card to keep occupation in the middle east. That or either the Government is wound up in the bullshit "war on terror" that they forgot about him.
    Last edited by anex; 09-12-2009 at 10:56 PM.

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