Your 9/11 story

[Christmas]

and after I latter learned that the CIA knew about these terror cells, were watching them and didn't do a fucking thing to stop them the first line of thought that came into my head was:
YOU KNEW THEY WERE UP TO SOMETHING BAD AND YOU DIDN"T STOP THEM BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T SURE WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO?
A THOUSAND PEOPLE JUST LOST THERE LIVES BECAUSE OF YOUR FUCKING STUPIDITY!!!! JESUS FUCKIGN CHRIST SO MUCH FOR TRUSING THE GOVERMENT WITH YOUR SAFTEY

Out of curiosity, what do you think they could have done to stop the hijacking?

Seriously, you act like they could have prevented it, but that is complete bullshit.

You can't dedicate an organization to hound a specific group of people and have someone ready to stop them at all times just because it is suspicious that they may do something somehow someday. Until 9/11 no one had ever used commercial airliners as a weapon, so there is no fucking way that the CIA could have known or taken steps to prevent that from happening.

[inthebutt]

Out of curiosity, what do you think they could have done to stop the hijacking?

Seriously, you act like they could have prevented it, but that is complete bullshit.

You can't dedicate an organization to hound a specific group of people and have someone ready to stop them at all times just because it is suspicious that they may do something somehow someday. Until 9/11 no one had ever used commercial airliners as a weapon, so there is no fucking way that the CIA could have known or taken steps to prevent that from happening.

actually the CIA couldn't have stop them but the actual pilot could have stopped them. I don't know if anyone remembers but there was a couple pilots pushing for some sort of distress/kill switch on airliners to be used in the event of a high jacking. the kill switch would shut down all electric equipment and only allowed the airplane to basically glide at that point.

if you google it you might still find the articles about it, but I'm saying if the pilots had that, they could have prevented it or at least kept the planes from being used as a weapon.

but that's just my input on your question to kavinsky christmas!!!

[D-Monic]

i was on my way to 2nd period. my friend was like dude we r getting attacked, and i was all like wtf are you talking about. i got into class and it was on tv, we watched it until they fell. some messed up stuff.

[ZERO]

Actually it was the American people who wanted them rebuilt the government wanted to create a bunch of other stuff and then special interest jumped into the mix and then 8 years later we have not really done anything. Also with the way things are today we probably can not build things that high anymore becuase if they fall a bird might get killed and therefore it is not safe to make large buildings that have the possibility to endanger birds and other animals that might not be able to escape.

As far as kill switches go it might be a good idea to have one that turns control over to the ground. When switched it puts the plain on auto until it gets a remote connection that allows a ground operator to safely land it. This way the plain can not get hacked into as it has to allow the connection on its end via the switch and it also makes it so it has the possibility of a safe landing.

[Christmas]

actually the CIA couldn't have stop them but the actual pilot could have stopped them. I don't know if anyone remembers but there was a couple pilots pushing for some sort of distress/kill switch on airliners to be used in the event of a high jacking. the kill switch would shut down all electric equipment and only allowed the airplane to basically glide at that point.

if you google it you might still find the articles about it, but I'm saying if the pilots had that, they could have prevented it or at least kept the planes from being used as a weapon.

but that's just my input on your question to kavinsky christmas!!!

Possibly, but the problem is that everything we are talking about now is in hindsight.

9/11 was the first time in the history of air travel that a commercial airliner has been used as a missile. No one could have predicted this and unfortunately many steps to prevent such an event (such as profiling or stricter security) from happening would be considered either infringement on people's freedoms or too much money to actually run.

It is a tragedy, but the fact is that 19 men run by a terrorist organization took arguably the most powerful country by surprise and changed it forever. The US has no one to blame but the organization behind it.

[anex]

The US has no one to blame but the organization behind it.

Um what? What motivated the terrorists to attack the United States? Oh please don't tell me its because they hate our freedom?! NNOOO our precious freedoms... well whats left of em anyways since the patriot act. I'm not going to buy the excuse where a terrorists wakes up one day and says, "You know I really think I would like to bomb America today!"

Imperialism, changing the worlds opinion of America since the early 1900's.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

BTW I was in the 8th grade when it happened. Sitting in my History class. My teacher said I will remember where I was on that day, and its true. I didn't forget.

[Christmas]

Um what? What motivated the terrorists to attack the United States? Oh please don't tell me its because they hate our freedom?! NNOOO our precious freedoms... well whats left of em anyways since the patriot act. I'm not going to buy the excuse where a terrorists wakes up one day and says, "You know I really think I would like to bomb America today!"

In a way, yes they hate our freedoms. It is called a secular society, where women are allowed to hold positions of power, hold jobs, and be independant. Where the media allows you to speak your mind about the issues you want to discuss. There are shows for many different demographics, where abortion is legal, where Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live in the same country with the same rights. Of course those who live in an extremist society would hate that Americans don't follow the same ideals as them. That Americans don't force women to wear garb covering their entire body, and don't charge a woman with a crime for being raped. Do you know anything about the history of Muslim extremism, or are you too blinded by anti-conservative propaganda that you think every problem in the world is the United States' fault?

And I never said they woke up one day and decided to attack the US. The US has been an enemy of Muslim extremism since after the cold war. Remember the 1993 bombings? This was planned over many years, simply because we as Americans had military forces in their country and the fact that the United States is a state which is satanic and anti-Muslim in their eyes.

Imperialism, changing the worlds opinion of America since the early 1900's.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

No shit it was planned.

[uuntiltheendd]

hey where is that guy anyway? havent heard much about him since 2001?

oh and something interesting to watch is "loose change volume 2." youtube it or googlevideo.

[Christmas]

hey where is that guy anyway? havent heard much about him since 2001?

oh and something interesting to watch is "loose change volume 2." youtube it or googlevideo.

Since 2001? Do you live under a rock?

Also, all the loose change videos are bunk. Check out "Screw Loose Change" 2 and it completely trashes any argument they have.

Seriously, if you quote Loose Change as an adequate source, your credibility is shot. I didn't even realize that people still believed that tripe.

[anex]

...a secular society, where women are allowed to hold positions of power, hold jobs, and be independent... the media allows you to speak your mind about the issues you want to discuss... That Americans don't force women to wear garb covering their entire body, and don't charge a woman with a crime for being raped... anti-conservative propaganda that you think every problem in the world is the United States' fault?

I looked at both sides. I looked at Conservative and Liberals, republicans and democrats. I read books, watched a shit ton of documentaries. I read conspiracy theories about 9/11, I read books where they got debunked, then I read books where those debunks got debunked themselves. I read and watched books on politics, become obsessed with censorship in the United States. One string of information lead me to the next. The Conservative ideology is ludicrous. Conservatives EAT up the propaganda like crazy because a lot of them do not think for themselves. They believe whatever fox news tells them without giving it a second thought. Same thing with Liberals too. However, I am Libertarian so I do not really bother with that mess. I do not believe in any propaganda. I make my own conclusions based on several different things. But it seems however that you fall victim to propaganda as well because the only reason you seem to come up with is the standard, "Terrorists hate our freedom, women rights, blah blah" You know the usual stuff you hear from other conservatives.

So really, forgive me for not really believing the conservative propaganda, that terrorists hate our freedom hur hur, that spews from the news networks and the Bush's administration. Anti-conservative propaganda? Really? I have the same tolerance for anti-conservative propaganda that I do for conservative propaganda. I don't even watch the news anymore because everything is biased. One news station telling me one thing, another telling me a different thing. Its bullshit. I get my news from independent sources that DON'T jam their political agendas down my throat.

I don't think every problem in the World is caused by the US, but I feel like its the majority because of our former 3 administrations we have had.

Remember the 1993 bombings? This was planned over many years, simply because we as Americans had military forces in their country and the fact that the United States is a state which is satanic and anti-Muslim in their eyes.

Repercussion of imperialism. Coming from this point of view, we had it coming because we pissed off a LOT of people and made enemies. So then your "The only people we have to blame are the terrorists because we did nothing to provoke them," excuse flies right out the fucking window.

Coming from the conspiracy aspect, it could have been a test run for the devastation eight years later. Precursor to dealing with the rebellious state overseas and getting a stronger foot hold on the oil in that country. It might sound crazy but its ALWAYS a possibility. Don't ever rule out something just because you think that "it could never happen." Like we live in a fantasy world here.

Previous governments in history like to do test runs of some events prior to see how the general population would react.

Or the last aspect that they just woke up one day and said "Hey, ill bomb America today for no reason at all." Which is less likely then the conspiracy aspect.

Problem - Reaction - Solution.

"No shit it was planned."

Woh man, that quote and the meaning behind it, just went right over your head. If you turn around you now, you can still catch it!

Since 2001? Do you live under a rock?

Also, all the loose change videos are bunk. Check out "Screw Loose Change" 2 and it completely trashes any argument they have.

Seriously, if you quote Loose Change as an adequate source, your credibility is shot. I didn't even realize that people still believed that tripe.

True. But then again Christmas its one of those things that been debunked by one person then someone else debunks that debunk then it gets to the point of credibility of the film in question. Which now is shot because its been debunked and undebunked so many times that you don't know if its true anymore. Plus its a youtube video made by some dude. That movie had almost no credability to begin with even if any of that information was true.

We haven't heard anything about Osama because the government probably is still using him as an ACE card to keep occupation in the middle east. That or either the Government is wound up in the bullshit "war on terror" that they forgot about him.