P90 Shenanigans

[Mallissin]

I was doing some weapon's research while the ZM server was acting up, using the PyschoStats data and got to wondering.

Why are P90 kills given twice as many points for a kill as a Para? It's the third most lethal human weapon and a lot more accurate than Para, as you notice by the head-shot numbers, with an above average clip size.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/zm_stats/weapons.php

Is there a list detailing the points assigned to kills by particular weapons? Seems like those brave enough to use Sigs, TMPs or Augs should be getting more points.

I should mention I'm not one of those brave people.

[Christmas]

I should mention that I am.



I do think the ranking system when it comes to weapon weights needs some work. However I would prefer the ranking system to be gone anyways so people aren't compelled to use the P90 ALL THE TIME to up their rank as quickly as possible.

[ZERO]

This is correct, the p90 was overlooked. The ranks have been fixed to give it the same point value as the pump shotgun. This is only slightly more points than for getting a para kill by a difference of .5 it is still less than the other weapons by a significant amount. The point reduction is about 24% for the p90 from its previous value.

[walterbrunswick]

My Public Administration professor in First Semester (first class I ever attended at my college) fired a P90.

He said that video games do in fact help improve weapon accuracy and proficiency. Who would have thought.

[Jeimuzu]

Wait, what?..

Why should P90 be less than a para? That just encourages everyone to buy a para and sit in a vent.

It's true, P90 was a bit too high, but 1.75 would be good instead of 2.30.

And 2.75 for a tmp or mac10 kill isn't that bad. It's 3 times what a para gives almost.

Para can kill any zombie with all head shots, it takes P90 2-3 reloads to kill the deformed and classic.

So it definitely should be worth more than a para.

And, if that be true, then what of the Ak47 and the M4A1? Shouldn't they be at least 2.25? Since they're harder to use than both the para and p90.

And here's the list, or as it should be, in my opinion.

Weapon                                 Weight
ak47                                    2.25
aug                                     2.25
awp                                     0.50
deagle                                  3.01
elite                                   3.00
famas                                   2.35            
fiveseven                               3.10
g3sg1                                   0.50
galil                                   2.50         
glock                                   3.50
hegrenade                               5.00
knife                                  10.00
m249                                    1.25          
m3                                      1.75
m4a1                                    2.00            
mac10                                   2.75            
mp5navy                                 2.50           
p228                                    3.10
p90                                     1.75                                
scout                                   3.75
sg550                                   0.50
sg552                                   2.00            
tmp                                     2.75            
ump45                                   2.60
usp                                     3.10
xm1014                                  1.75
zombie_claws_of_death                   1.10

Just go to the original post to see the current points for each weapon, minus the P90 now.

I'd also like to add, the people with TMPs or mac10s, shotguns, etc. are mostly leachers and tube campers. The guys with the p90 actually build the barricades.

[ZERO]

... what is 2.3-24% -> 1.75 so it is worth more than the para by .5

[๖ReS]

My Public Administration professor in First Semester (first class I ever attended at my college) fired a P90.

He said that video games do in fact help improve weapon accuracy and proficiency. Who would have thought.

I learned how to fire most weapons from video games. I also would blame video games for my fabulous hand eye coordination and my lightning fast reflexes.

[Mallissin]

This is correct, the p90 was overlooked. The ranks have been fixed to give it the same point value as the pump shotgun. This is only slightly more points than for getting a para kill by a difference of .5 it is still less than the other weapons by a significant amount. The point reduction is about 24% for the p90 from its previous value.

That seems like a great start. Also seems like the two shotguns should be dropped a tad as well, but still working on the numbers.

I couldn't find Rate of Fire information for the P228 in-game, so if anyone has seen it or would like to figure it out, I'd appreciate it.

I'm building a spreadsheet with information to compare so we might be able to make adjustments without being so arbitrary. I'll post when I get three formulas done that are giving me headaches.

That said, if we do want to use actual data to determine the rank modifiers, how should it be done?

I'd personally like to see them adjusted to promote variety, weighting weapons that aren't used often for higher rank modifiers.

[Mallissin]

The two shotguns definitely need their modifiers reduced, especially the pump. Here's a quick list of the top weapons, their observed damage per minute, maximum possible damage per minute and a comparison.

Weapon,Observed DMG/Min,Maximum DMG/Min,Percent of Potential

m249, 2988, 57000, 5.24%
m3, 3867, 11352, 34.07%
p90, 1458, 30800, 4.73%
m4a1, 1320, 40200, 3.28%
elite, 614, 13320, 4.61%
ak47, 1550, 33300, 4.66%
deagle, 723, 14560, 4.97%
xm1014, 1224, 9009, 13.59%
sg552, 1288, 24840, 5.19%
aug, 1187, 21360, 5.56%
tmp, 1547, 18360, 8.42%
fiveseven, 550, 13320, 4.13%
hegrenade,,,
scout,,,
mp5navy, 812, 13770, 5.89%
usp, 329, 8712, 3.78%
glock, 421, 9180, 4.59%
galil, 1197, 25760, 4.65%
knife,,,
p228,,,
awp,,,
famas, 1324, 20750, 6.38%
g3sg1, 2657, 38280, 6.94%
sg550, 3152, 30300, 10.40%
mac10, 1066, 16200, 6.58%
ump45, 731, 26775, 2.73%

You can pretty quickly pick-out the shotguns (two highest percentages). The TMP beating out one of the auto-snipers was surprising.

Anyway, should probably drop both shotguns to lower than para.

Attached is the spreadsheet (xlsx) I used to calculate.

[๖ReS]

The two shotguns definitely need their modifiers reduced, especially the pump. Here's a quick list of the top weapons, their observed damage per minute, maximum possible damage per minute and a comparison.

Weapon,Observed DMG/Min,Maximum DMG/Min,Percent of Potential

m249, 2988, 57000, 5.24%
m3, 3867, 11352, 34.07%
p90, 1458, 30800, 4.73%
m4a1, 1320, 40200, 3.28%
elite, 614, 13320, 4.61%
ak47, 1550, 33300, 4.66%
deagle, 723, 14560, 4.97%
xm1014, 1224, 9009, 13.59%
sg552, 1288, 24840, 5.19%
aug, 1187, 21360, 5.56%
tmp, 1547, 18360, 8.42%
fiveseven, 550, 13320, 4.13%
hegrenade,,,
scout,,,
mp5navy, 812, 13770, 5.89%
usp, 329, 8712, 3.78%
glock, 421, 9180, 4.59%
galil, 1197, 25760, 4.65%
knife,,,
p228,,,
awp,,,
famas, 1324, 20750, 6.38%
g3sg1, 2657, 38280, 6.94%
sg550, 3152, 30300, 10.40%
mac10, 1066, 16200, 6.58%
ump45, 731, 26775, 2.73%

You can pretty quickly pick-out the shotguns (two highest percentages). The TMP beating out one of the auto-snipers was surprising.

Anyway, should probably drop both shotguns to lower than para.

Attached is the spreadsheet (xlsx) I used to calculate.

Your really into dis shit aint cha.