Reality...

[XxMastagunzxX]

Crash landing and a full on headfirst crash are 2 VERY DIFFERENT things.

Yeah the plane was over 300mph so there definitely wouldn't be as much debri.

[loka]

when were cockpits locked before 9/11? I had gone up in them as a kid while in a flying plane. So what if they had a gun, you don't have time to pull out a gun when if you have one next to your fucking head.
Engineers can show you what happened to the damn plane, and like that other guy said why the hell would there security cameras be pointed at the air? the point at the god damn doors.

Yeah access to cockpits stopped after 9/11 happened. Before then you could ask to see the cockpit, and depending... sometimes the flight attendants would let you especially if you were a kid. They also used to let the door open when you boarded. Now they close the door before flights, and lock it during flights.

[maynard]

when were cockpits locked before 9/11? I had gone up in them as a kid while in a flying plane. So what if they had a gun, you don't have time to pull out a gun when if you have one next to your fucking head.
Engineers can show you what happened to the damn plane, and like that other guy said why the hell would there security cameras be pointed at the air? the point at the god damn doors.

Lol there's cameras looking at EVERY angle of that building, including cameras across the street looking at the pentagon, get your facts strait if you want 2 debate. what I'm saying is controversial, what you're saying is just stupid.

there's no reason they could NOT show footage of it. there's also businesses across the way and the pentagon security went there right after and took there security tapes as well. any tape that could have shown what happend went into strict lock down, other then 1 tape that jsut shows a small explosion on the wall lol. the fact is that plain is BIG even in the footage when there's the explosion youd see the back or front end of it 2 some degree.

also they didn't have guns...

[StarsMine]

Lol there's cameras looking at EVERY angle of that building, including cameras across the street looking at the pentagon, get your facts strait if you want 2 debate. what I'm saying is controversial, what you're saying is just stupid.

there's no reason they could NOT show footage of it. there's also businesses across the way and the pentagon security went there right after and took there security tapes as well. any tape that could have shown what happend went into strict lock down, other then 1 tape that jsut shows a small explosion on the wall lol. the fact is that plain is BIG even in the footage when there's the explosion youd see the back or front end of it 2 some degree.

also they didn't have guns...

I didnt say they did have guns, that was a hypothetical situation, whatever they hijacked it with, it wouldnt have matter if they had a gun or not as it would have caught them completely off guard.

[XxMastagunzxX]

If you look how shitty their cameras are then you will realize the plane was going so fast it hit between frames.

[StarsMine]

If you look how shitty their cameras are then you will realize the plane was going so fast it hit between frames.

Thank you

[maynard]

Where is your proof maynard?

Lol the question is where's yours

how many times do I have 2 state for you ppl that un-like most of you, I wasn't 8 years old when this happened, I was actually watching the news the moment this took place, I saw the first news crews say theres no plain debree, just lotts of scrap metal, then an hour later all those tapes were pulled from LIVE TV, just like the security tapes.


if the government wasn't in control of 9/11 then they sure as hell knew it was going 2 happen.. and I would say thats' equally as bad.

they were doing drills based on planes hitting into the pentagon years before 9/11 took place.

[Christmas]

I don't care about your pole, or scrap metal. if you've ever seen a plane crash before you know what it looks like, and that's NOT like what they show you at the pentagon Lol.

Okay so show me what happens when a plane hits a much more rigid material.

Oh wait, I can show YOU.



Planes are not like cars. When they are at incredibly high speeds and hit very rigid concrete they are going to break into very small pieces. Why do you think planes are so fucking light?

And don't try to compare the crash at the pentagon with the crash at NYC because they are hitting completely different materials.

tJDqXbtsKlwsteel beaing weakend at the top, would have no made the building come down.... and it can only be slightly weakened, and we're talking a SMALL weakness lol, nothing even remotly hot enough 2 do what they claim[/QUOTE]

I guess it is strange that steel weakened at the point of impact would collapse from the point of impact down. What a weird concept.

Seriously the support system below the point of impact was not meant to withstand the dynamic force that hit it when the collapse began. There is a big difference between static and dynamic forces.

And small weakness? Let me see what you have to back that up. Mastagunz brought a good source.

I also find it hard 2 believe that they were even able 2 take over all the plaines. 1 the door 2 the cock pit is always locked,

Evidence?

2 they're armed in the cock pit, they have a gun,

Evidence?

and 3 ive never known ppl 2 just sit there and wait to die, there was like what, 5 dudes on each plane or something with box cutters? give me a break, the Americans I know would have stormed them and fought for there lives.... nothing adds up about 9/11

Bull fucking shit, Maynard. Not once had a hijacked commercial airliner been used as a missile, so you mean to tell me that an average joe who is affected by the shock and awe of a hijacking is going to go gung-ho and try to take back the plane when they could easily sit back and wait for the plane to land and let the professionals deal with it (without suffering a scratch)? Also while there is the threat of a bomb being on board? Get real.

[maynard]

Thank you

lmfao... and? this shows nothing.

[maynard]

like I said prior, I'm not interested in your biased views, I want actual facts or I'm not interested. and the first crews at pentagon and WTC gave me more proof then anything... even more so when the governemnt then had them stop showing those news segments.

if the government didn't do it. they knew it was happening and coming.