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[Jeimuzu]

Chrismas, Walter, and Oonyx, if you believe hide and seek should be removed, what about escape maps?

I'm of course talking about freezing fast zombies on escape maps because its 'unbalanced.' You do that, yet you wouldn't punish someone who goes into spectate to ghost and exploit the game?

[Oonyx]

James when you join a game, you're already in spectator mode, unless you join at the very beginning of a round. There's no extra effort involved in that. If you choose to delay spawning and look around, then so be it. As for fast zombies on escape maps, personally I have no problem with them.

Hobo, you were hiding in near plain sight, and would have been spotted more likely than not considering there were two or three minutes left. I don't see the justification necessary for an "inconvenience" of you turning into zombie for two or three minutes equating to a two hour ban. Furthermore, wouldn't a message to me have served the same purpose? Bans are last resort, and because you were personally involved it clouded your judgement.

[Christmas]

Chrismas, Walter, and Oonyx, if you believe hide and seek should be removed, what about escape maps?

I'm of course talking about freezing fast zombies on escape maps because its 'unbalanced.' You do that, yet you wouldn't punish someone who goes into spectate to ghost and exploit the game?

I believe that you aren't able to switch to spectate then back again so this is a moot discussion.

[walterbrunswick]

IS SPECTATING A PERSON TO FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THEN RESPAWNING TO TAG HIM/GIVE HIS POSITION AWAY BE ALLOWED IN IBIS? SHOULD THE ZSPAWN FEATURE BE REMOVED?

NO, NO, YES.

James when you join a game, you're already in spectator mode, unless you join at the very beginning of a round. There's no extra effort involved in that. If you choose to delay spawning and look around, then so be it. As for fast zombies on escape maps, personally I have no problem with them.

Hobo, you were hiding in near plain sight, and would have been spotted more likely than not considering there were two or three minutes left. I don't see the justification necessary for an "inconvenience" of you turning into zombie for two or three minutes equating to a two hour ban. Furthermore, wouldn't a message to me have served the same purpose? Bans are last resort, and because you were personally involved it clouded your judgement.

Exactly. It's not Oonyx's fault that !zspawn is there.

HOBO your ban was unjust.

I'll be honest. I've come into a game half-way through the round, and I've spec'd where people are, and I've !zpsawned. Oonyx didn't even tag you HOBO.

Hate the game, not the player.

[TheLittlestHobo]

Oonyx has now changed the main point as what he normally does so his actions are seemingly more innocent than the last. I.e that my spot was in plain site. Firstly, my spot may be detectable, but I would know that you aren't that good enough to come looking for me there (although I know you would say "yes I would"). I was fine up until you joined in and I still had a good minute left.

Oonyx, you better start being direct and NOT start to deviate the main point at hand here. You can't say that my position was easily detectable because of what you think. Again, I still had a good minute. Pretty much all of Oonyx's posts have deviated away from the main point by saying things like his last post.

Still, the MAIN POINT is that you know my location, zspawned in and then got me tagged.

Walter, it's not the fact that he didn't tag me but the fact that he gave my hiding position away from a system that is being abused.

Refer to Holy Shit's last post. Remember the time when people just goto spectate to avoid zombie death. At the time there was no official ruling. This is what I feel this situation is where it's at. An action that we know is deemed wrong but no official ruling is set forth.

And lastly Walter, it's the players that make up an online gaming experience for everyone.

When I hate the game, it's probably because of server lag. :P

[Oonyx]

Oonyx has now changed the main point as what he normally does so his actions are seemingly more innocent than the last...Pretty much all of Oonyx's posts have deviated away from the main point by saying things like his last post.

All of my posts include arguments about this main point and it's not that I've attempted to deviate - not at all. It's just that there are a plethora of arguments against the ridiculous ban you imposed to serve your own purpose or anger.

but I would know that you aren't that good enough to come looking for me there...

Ah yes, because your highness is so elite. Get real; it's not necessary to talk down to others just because you're an admin.

Remember the time when people just goto spectate to avoid zombie death. At the time there was no official ruling. This is what I feel this situation is where it's at. An action that we know is deemed wrong but no official ruling is set forth.

This is a rather false analogy. One has to go out of one's own way to avoid being "zombified" by going to spectate. On the other hand, when you join a server, the server itself places you into spectate mode. When you choose to spawn is your own prerogative.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

Oonyx has now changed the main point as what he normally does so his actions are seemingly more innocent than the last. I.e that my spot was in plain site. Firstly, my spot may be detectable, but I would know that you aren't that good enough to come looking for me there (although I know you would say "yes I would"). I was fine up until you joined in and I still had a good minute left.

Oonyx, you better start being direct and NOT start to deviate the main point at hand here. You can't say that my position was easily detectable because of what you think. Again, I still had a good minute. Pretty much all of Oonyx's posts have deviated away from the main point by saying things like his last post.

Still, the MAIN POINT is that you know my location, zspawned in and then got me tagged.

Walter, it's not the fact that he didn't tag me but the fact that he gave my hiding position away from a system that is being abused.

Refer to Holy Shit's last post. Remember the time when people just goto spectate to avoid zombie death. At the time there was no official ruling. This is what I feel this situation is where it's at. An action that we know is deemed wrong but no official ruling is set forth.

And lastly Walter, it's the players that make up an online gaming experience for everyone.

When I hate the game, it's probably because of server lag. :P

I was talking about when there used to be !zspawn.

[TheLittlestHobo]

All of my posts include arguments about this main point and it's not that I've attempted to deviate - not at all. It's just that there are a plethora of arguments against the ridiculous ban you imposed to serve your own purpose or anger.


Ah yes, because your highness is so elite. Get real; it's not necessary to talk down to others just because you're an admin.


This is a rather false analogy. One has to go out of one's own way to avoid being "zombified" by going to spectate. On the other hand, when you join a server, the server itself places you into spectate mode. When you choose to spawn is your own prerogative.

Again, you are straying away from the main point. Re-read the first post doofus...This isn't about the ban at all. This is about "ghosting" and using the !zspawn feature to spoil that person's hiding spot (if you didn't get my earlier posts...the main point of ghosting is so the person hiding or even barricaded does not have his/her position compromised because someone was speccing). Almost all of your posts are just rebuttals to my responses which does not directly or at all relate to abusing the !zspawn feature.

Holy, I was just using the spectating to avoid zombies thing as an example...or perhaps an analogy to get my point across, but it doesn't seem to be working especially with Oonyx's last post...

I feel the main issue will not be resolved and Oonyx is just dick measuring, at this point. Pretty much all of my posts are always to the main point, but he keeps responding to my itty bits just so he has something to say it seems like. (You can quote this useless paragraph, Oonyx, because I expect you to).

As well, to save you the effort of you browsing through pages where I have not said anything related, I will tell you. It's on page 3 where I say:

I can conclude that Oonyx is a sly little fucker who's been on the server long enough to know the rules and the basic "What is right and what is wrong" ideas. I am finished discussing this with you for now because I have to go for a while.

I, instead, will allow other people to come forth and express their opinions about it.

As for your last point. You are truly trying to be sly by responding to such a rhetorical question. And if you say that "It was a rhetorical question?", then you are indeed full of shit.

Good-bye for now.

P.S. I don't normally swear often in my posts but Oonyx deserves it. So I apologize for anyone being offended by my remarks (other than Oonyx)

Do we really need to get ZER0 here? Eventually, yes...for he is the final judge at the main issue at hand.

[Oonyx]

Hmm...let's see. 90% of the text in your first post is about the ban. Your 2nd post is almost entirely on that. Your 3rd post is entirely on the same topic, and so forth.

The ban was essentially an action based on a premise; to argue against the action is to argue against your premise. Perhaps because you now realize that the ban was based on spurious grounds, you want to focus merely on the premise. If you wanted a separate discussion thread on it, then you shouldn't have placed both topics into this one. But I see no problem with discussing both here, considering I have indeed discussed what I think about !zspawn.

My posts are not going to conform to arbitrary parameters set by you, particularly when you've shown a willingness to discuss something outside of those parameters.

[OMGBEARS]

My sentiment is that if he left the game, came back specifically to find someone hiding via spectate, then !zspawned to go to you, the ban was justified.

Joining mid-round and spectating someone then !zspawning to go to them is a very lame thing to do. Bannable? I'd certainly be pissed off it if happened to me, but I'd have to say not bannable unless compounded by other things. I know that if I joined a game mid-round and saw someone via spectate hiding I'd just act like I never saw them. Then again, I do that in several instances. For instance if the way I got to someone is through a virtually non-repeatable glitch I tend to just !ztele away or if I become a zombie in a group of people, same deal.

ZM maps are about surviving in any way you can; hiding is definitely one method. There are major drawbacks to hiding, too: you don't get kills and there's already a very high chance that you'll be found and die. I've gotten very good at tipping over vending machines for that very reason.