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People who see it as an exploit. > People who do not see it as an exploit.Originally Posted by Oonyx
Zero can decide if banning people for using this is wrong or not. Until then, if it continues happening, admins will probably follow Hobo's example.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
IBIS Regular
Deeming this an exploit and giving admins power to ban over it is problematic, to say the least for the following reason.
An admin cannot distinguish between someone who uses zspawn and:
A. Had intentionally spotted a human beforehand
B. Who had happened by chance to see the location of a human before spawning
C. Who did not know the location of a human before spawning but happened to find them afterwards as a zombie.
Essentially, this would allow an admin to ban any one who spawned and then tagged or found a human.
IBIS Master
The fact that you are still continuing to argue and STILL find ways to justify your actions as acceptable is beginning to annoy me.
You spectated me
You respawned
You uncovered my position
You got me turned
It is a part of ghosting. Anyone with half a brain can see that this would be remotely wrong.
Oonyx, you know ZER0. Think about it this way, if you did that to ZER0 as you would do to me and he found out about it, what would ZER0 do?
Hint: Probably a much more worse sentence than my 2 hours.
Stop trying to justify that your actions was acceptable. Despite it not being in the rules, you should have some conscience to realize, "Hey, I probably shouldn't do this...especially to an old regular and an admin".
Again, if you cannot see your actions as being wrong, then by golly you need some fucking help.
ZER0, you do not need to make an official ruling of this. Just remove the zspawn feature.
End of discussion.
"Nothing beats the hobo life, stabbin folks with my hobo"
IBIS Master
You're the only person arguing against it being an exploit. The people who have argued that it is, indeed, an exploit are either admins or very established and well respected regulars who have been admins in the past.
I'm pretty firmly in the camp that the zspawn system was not supposed to be used to find humans that would not have otherwise been found. There's really no satisfactory argument to explain why you should be able to use the system to do that. Absolutely none.
The zspawn system is a bad idea to put in for this very reason. You cannot trust people won't abuse it.
IBIS Regular
I can't do that anything about your being annoyed and that's really of little concern to me, but as long as this feature is available, it's a natural consequence whether or not it's done intentionally.
Again, I did not respawn. This was the first time I played in that round.
Fix the spawn feature to limit its use, but I'm fairly certain Zero thought of this when he enabled spawn.
IBIS Master
I can conclude that Oonyx is a sly little fucker who's been on the server long enough to know the rules and the basic "What is right and what is wrong" ideas. I am finished discussing this with you for now because I have to go for a while.
I, instead, will allow other people to come forth and express their opinions about it.
As for your last point. You are truly trying to be sly by responding to such a rhetorical question. And if you say that "It was a rhetorical question?", then you are indeed full of shit.
Good-bye for now.
P.S. I don't normally swear often in my posts but Oonyx deserves it. So I apologize for anyone being offended by my remarks (other than Oonyx)
"Nothing beats the hobo life, stabbin folks with my hobo
IBIS Regular
Hobo, you may not expect a response to your questions, but don't get annoyed when the responses aren't what you anticipate them to be. I won't hold back against individuals who use admin powers for their own purposes, but I will always treat admins who don't (e.g Bears, Walter, Tommy, Christmas, among others) with the respect and courtesy they deserve.
Thank you Christmas. Some people in this thread have argued that if spawn is used to find people, then eventually there will be no people to find as it dissuades people from playing. This is categorically false. All spawn would do is to motivate the few people people who do this to form barricades rather than hiding.
Banned
Sorry Hobo, you know I love you, but I'm going to have to side with Oonyx in this particular case.
Nowhere in that console log do I see that he rejoined. Oonyx has established credibility during his time on the servers and in his rebuttal (and during the course of this thread disestablished Curdy's...). He's been respectful to you, while you've lashed out at him.
It is not his fault there is a !zspawn ability, and seems like you served a personal vendetta against him for spotting you. Unless you can present evidence that shows that he specifically REJOINED, SPECTATED YOU, and used !ZSPAWN to LOCATE YOU, your argument is getting thrown out the window.
Thank you, good day sir.
IBIS Regular
Should have built a stronger cade then he wouldn't have gotton in
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