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[Oonyx]

Hobo, you may not expect a response to your questions, but don't get annoyed when the responses aren't what you anticipate them to be. I won't hold back against individuals who use admin powers for their own purposes, but I will always treat admins who don't (e.g Bears, Walter, Tommy, Christmas, among others) with the respect and courtesy they deserve.

Once again, not hide and go seek.

Thank you Christmas. Some people in this thread have argued that if spawn is used to find people, then eventually there will be no people to find as it dissuades people from playing. This is categorically false. All spawn would do is to motivate the few people people who do this to form barricades rather than hiding.

[walterbrunswick]

Sorry Hobo, you know I love you, but I'm going to have to side with Oonyx in this particular case.

Nowhere in that console log do I see that he rejoined. Oonyx has established credibility during his time on the servers and in his rebuttal (and during the course of this thread disestablished Curdy's...). He's been respectful to you, while you've lashed out at him.

It is not his fault there is a !zspawn ability, and seems like you served a personal vendetta against him for spotting you. Unless you can present evidence that shows that he specifically REJOINED, SPECTATED YOU, and used !ZSPAWN to LOCATE YOU, your argument is getting thrown out the window.

Thank you, good day sir.

[AI_Scout]

Let me start by saying I’ve been on ZM for a long time now and just started to play ZM on a consistent basis again the last 2 months, and Oonyx is probably one of the decent new players on ZM. On subject, I have to concur with Hobo, what you did was wrong despite it being in the rules or not. Correct me if I am wrong, you joined the server midway as a dead CT/TT and used the spawn feature to start playing as a zombie after spectating Hobo's hiding spot. Whether you intentionally spectated Hobo or accidentally landed in Hobo’s spectate viewpoint is questionable. Yes, although the word may sound unsympathetic, it is an exploit. The Spawn feature was utilized and gave you an unfair advantage over the humans. While players that tend to hide in vending machines, etc are exasperating and prolong the rounds with no purpose but to hide, the zombies should locate the humans without the spawn feature’s aid.

On the other hand, I 100% agree with Oonyx that giving admins the authority to ban for situation like this will be exceptionally problematic since there is no way to distinguish someone who exploited zspawn or someone who came in mid-round, zspawn, and happened to find them subsequently as a zombie. We’ll probably have twice as much “Unban Me” threads. So back to Hobo’s suggestion and in my opinion, the spawning feature should be removed.

PS. I commend Oonyx for being respectable and offering his view point on the situation, but what he did was wrong.

[TheLittlestHobo]

Firstly, Christmas I would want to ask you what you think the general point of "Ghosting" under Server Rules 1.5 would be.
Secondly, Christmas, I know for a fact that HIDING is not against the rules what so ever and the fact that you had to wait is your fault for being dead in the first place. There is a thing called patience in this game and I feel not too many people have it. I don't mean to be offensive to you, but I'm just trying to make a point here about the whole premise of IBIS Zombie Mod.

Thirdly, Walter, it wasn't so much the case of rejoining, but the fact someone joins half way through the round, spectate someone who is hiding, and then getting them tagged or tagging them. That was the main point that I am trying to make that oonyx took advantage of.

On another note, I know for a fact I can make some of the most sturdiest of cades in the server, hence why I used to be second for a while during my time playing. I guess it would kill some people to deviate away from cading once in a while...

Still the issue at hand is:
IS SPECTATING A PERSON TO FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THEN RESPAWNING TO TAG HIM/GIVE HIS POSITION AWAY BE ALLOWED IN IBIS? SHOULD THE ZSPAWN FEATURE BE REMOVED?

[TheLittlestHobo]

If you are in a spot where you don't want to be seen then you should pick a different spot

Any hiding spot can be nullified by going to spectate and then searching for that person, then respawning to tag them.

[mastercheff]

i agree with hobo on this one, doing what onnyx did is like ghosting on hide n seek mod pretty much its just not fair once you've died YOU DIED get over it you fucking died ffs

[Oonyx]

once you've died YOU DIED get over it you fucking died ffs

Cheff you're misstating what happened, and your posts have been unhelpful. As I've reiterated over and over again, I was not dead; I joined the game during the same round and zspawned by which time I already knew where Hobo was.

Any hiding spot can be nullified by going to spectate and then searching for that person, then respawning to tag them.

Except that you can't change teams (spectate being a "team") more than once per round.

Secondly, Christmas, I know for a fact that HIDING is not against the rules what so ever and the fact that you had to wait is your fault for being dead in the first place.

Have you considered that as settings and features change, then so do strategies? If you choose to hide, then you need to also accept the chance that someone may join mid-round and know where you are.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

actually back in the day, disconnecting and rejoining the server and !zspawning was a ban. I'm still sure it is, and zer0 probably will add it to the rules. It was illegal then and i assure you it is now.

Ask holy dart and sonic what i think about it.

plus isn't the purpose of zm to survive? That's just my thought though, People play it for different purposes.

[Christmas]

Firstly, Christmas I would want to ask you what you think the general point of "Ghosting" under Server Rules 1.5 would be.

So people don't conspire to give certain players an unfair advantage. It is for the GG, WCS, and PUB servers because generally in ZM the entire point is cade, escape (in escape maps), or kill.

Secondly, Christmas, I know for a fact that HIDING is not against the rules what so ever and the fact that you had to wait is your fault for being dead in the first place. There is a thing called patience in this game and I feel not too many people have it. I don't mean to be offensive to you, but I'm just trying to make a point here about the whole premise of IBIS Zombie Mod.

I didn't say hiding was against the rules. Also just because you are dead does not mean it is "your fault" for being dead. Zombies sometimes must sacrifice themselves in order for humans to get tagged (you know what a zombie train is) and not all players are dead simply because they were killed by humans (joining the server). And the "patience" card does not work in PUB and WCS, so why should it here? The rounds are much longer. And because the rounds are much longer that gives players fewer opportunities to play specific maps, making them irritated when someone is extending the round for an extended period of time in that fashion.

On another note, I know for a fact I can make some of the most sturdiest of cades in the server, hence why I used to be second for a while during my time playing. I guess it would kill some people to deviate away from cading once in a while...

One of the reasons I hate escape maps is because people decide to hide and extend the round very long so they do not die. When it comes to a gaming server, the main objective is for rounds to be carried out in both a fun and efficient way. Having a few zombies look for a single guy who is sitting in a corner that is hardly looked at is rarely fun. That's why beacons are regularly used.

Still the issue at hand is:
IS SPECTATING A PERSON TO FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THEN RESPAWNING TO TAG HIM/GIVE HIS POSITION AWAY BE ALLOWED IN IBIS? SHOULD THE ZSPAWN FEATURE BE REMOVED?

Seems like a dumb feature anyways.

[TheLittlestHobo]

So people don't conspire to give certain players an unfair advantage.

Isn't finding someone's hiding spot, respawning, then tagging/giving the position away give that player an unfair advantage?

And the "patience" card does not work in PUB and WCS, so why should it here? The rounds are much longer. And because the rounds are much longer that gives players fewer opportunities to play specific maps, making them irritated when someone is extending the round for an extended period of time in that fashion.

Ask ZER0 to extend the map rounds, then. I would agree with you on that.

One of the reasons I hate escape maps is because people decide to hide and extend the round very long so they do not die. When it comes to a gaming server, the main objective is for rounds to be carried out in both a fun and efficient way. Having a few zombies look for a single guy who is sitting in a corner that is hardly looked at is rarely fun. That's why beacons are regularly used.

I also agree with you on this because it is escape map and the premise of escape maps well...is to escape. Cading maps are intended for survival until the round is over by any legitimate means necessary. [/QUOTE]


And again to reinforce what happened:

Oonyx joined the game midway through the round
He joined a side
While dead, he was speccing other players
He was speccing me as I was hiding
He respawned
He sat in my head and gave my position away
I was tagged


Call me arrogant, but that move deserved a ban.