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    There is people that swear by MassHealth is the greatest free health care ever. Covers dental, medical, vision, etc. This was the result of the Health Care bill. I think perspective states should come up with their own resolve for those who aren't covered by health insurance. Problem with private health care is (this applies when I was covered with my mom) is that dental and vision was separate, and many companies do this. The state funded health covered everything and it was FREE. No co-payments. This is the hilarity of the health care in Massachusetts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loka View Post
    There is people that swear by MassHealth is the greatest free health care ever. Covers dental, medical, vision, etc. This was the result of the Health Care bill. I think perspective states should come up with their own resolve for those who aren't covered by health insurance. Problem with private health care is (this applies when I was covered with my mom) is that dental and vision was separate, and many companies do this. The state funded health covered everything and it was FREE. No co-payments. This is the hilarity of the health care in Massachusetts.
    I have health, vision and dental all in one package.

    includes minor and major sugeries but it won't cover cosmetic surgery.

    covers ER and Urgent care as well.

    my copay is $30 and monthly cost is only $276 for a single, non smoker and in excellent health.
    -The enemy of my enemy is my friend-

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    As a former democrat and current independent, I was kind of liking Kennedy. I like his ideas about reducing then eliminating welfare and other such government programs. Unfortunately here in MA half the single moms make their money from that system by popping out as many kids as they can before they hit 25.

    Bleh, anyhow. This election I actually didn't vote, which is a miracle for me lol. I'm sick and I got my computer parts in today so I was busy being blech and playing.

    Quote Originally Posted by loka View Post
    There is people that swear by MassHealth is the greatest free health care ever. Covers dental, medical, vision, etc. This was the result of the Health Care bill. I think perspective states should come up with their own resolve for those who aren't covered by health insurance. Problem with private health care is (this applies when I was covered with my mom) is that dental and vision was separate, and many companies do this. The state funded health covered everything and it was FREE. No co-payments. This is the hilarity of the health care in Massachusetts.
    ..dude you have to make like 14k a year as a single person with no kids to be eligible.

    I use the subsidized Mass Health Connector program and pay about 300 a month for great insurance. It's Harvard Pilgrim, which is one of the best, and has great co-pays for everything from checkups to inpatient care.

    EDIT: Oh and it comes with a basic vision plan, and my dental, while separate, costs me maybe $300 a year.
    Last edited by inthebutt; 01-19-2010 at 10:40 PM. Reason: double posting

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    My co-pay was 20 a visit. Pay $250 for any surgeries (since 250 is the amount it costs for admittance). Prescriptions ranged from $1-30 dollars. $100 for ER visits. All this versus MassHealth that is free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loka View Post
    My co-pay was 20 a visit. Pay $250 for any surgeries (since 250 is the amount it costs for admittance). Prescriptions ranged from $1-30 dollars. $100 for ER visits. All this versus MassHealth that is free.
    Understood, so you save a few grand.. but you make nothing to be eligible.

    So if I spend 300 a month x 12 months that's $3600 a year. If i make $50k a year, and health insurance takes $3600, I'm still waaaaay the fuck above $14k.

    I'll stick with paying, thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by su - root View Post
    As a former democrat and current independent, I was kind of liking Kennedy. I like his ideas about reducing then eliminating welfare and other such government programs. Unfortunately here in MA half the single moms make their money from that system by popping out as many kids as they can before they hit 25.

    Bleh, anyhow. This election I actually didn't vote, which is a miracle for me lol. I'm sick and I got my computer parts in today so I was busy being blech and playing.



    ..dude you have to make like 14k a year as a single person with no kids to be eligible.

    I use the subsidized Mass Health Connector program and pay about 300 a month for great insurance. It's Harvard Pilgrim, which is one of the best, and has great co-pays for everything from checkups to inpatient care.

    EDIT: Oh and it comes with a basic vision plan, and my dental, while separate, costs me maybe $300 a year.
    Oh people lie to get Mass Health. My dad is an accountant/CPA does taxes etc etc. Those people will lie about how much they make just to take advantage of Mass Health. It's disturbing.

    Edit: I can get Mass Health right now for being "unemployed" until my military health kicks in. My friend has Mass Health because she has a baby. Like you said unwed single moms take advantage both of welfare and Mass Health.

    Double Edit: I just checked... for coverage in Mass health standard you have to make a minimum of 6K a year single.
    Last edited by loka; 01-19-2010 at 10:48 PM.

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    I love my NYS Blue Cross and BLue Shield. I also have GHI Preferred PPO for Dental in which I don't pay for any surgeries or anything. I'm just limited to certain things. The few perks for working for the state.

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    I'm all for a majority of the reforms, since they'll most likely save me money over the long term (either in premiums or expenses). I don't like the government provided option that a lot of far left Democrats want. But I'm worried Republicans will take the small victory and over blow it, completely derailing the efforts. If that happens, it would be a great loss.

    The New York Times had a good article about the history of health care reform.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/a...et-not-unified

    It's mentioned that Ted Kennedy regretted not supporting NIXON'S (!!) attempt at health care reform because of political squabbling.

    I'm hoping Brown can learn from his predecessor's mistakes and not allow his victory be used to derail helpful changes for the sake of party ego and deprive the nation of the efficiencies the bill would add.

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    The thing that some people fail to see is that a Public option would not STRIP you of your private health care. It would provide an option for you if you weren't happy with your current healthcare or couldn't afford healthcare to begin with. It would be paid for by people buying into the system primarily. It would be almost budget neutral save the government subsidies provided to people who couldn't otherwise afford the premiums (which would be marginally less due to lack of having to pay for advertising and overhead). Subsidies are provided to farmers, to the oil industry, to banks, to insurance companies, but not the american public for providing for their well being. OKAY RIGHT.

    Besides, if you pay for private insurance now you're actually OVERPAYING for people who don't have insurance. Doctors have to treat people who come into the ER whether or not they have insurance (federal law). What this means for you and others is that they insert their additional costs into bills for other people. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from people with insurance.

    Also, there are studies that support preventative care saving money in the long run. The preventative care provided by an affordible public option or by a single-payor system would actually end up saving americans money as a whole, and making the public healthier as a result.

    I can't afford health care myself, I'm one of the 30 million in the same situation. I'm pretty much banking on the fact I'm 23 and have the fortitude of an ox. Do you know what would happen if I got sick at all? I would be slapped with a bill that I would be unable to pay and end up homeless. This means that besides the fact that IBIS would lose an admin (most major thing, really), I would be fucked for the rest of my life. Because I can't afford private health insurance. Bump that shit.

    Also -- do you pay for police protection? Do you pay for fire protection? Not directly, but you do. These are basic things that should always be provided to you, and something that shouldn't NOT be provided if you can't afford it.

    Yes. I'm liberal.
    Yeah. I'm an admin. What of it?

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    I have strong feeling about this since its written that our government takes care of the people well being of the people and yet Republicans try to ruin and destroy public health care option. Before health insurance was around the town doctors worked well, treated the poor and asked little form them those that made more paid more. Now its the poor that pay more for health insurance and the rich pay little to nothing, that doesn't seem right.

    US Constitution, Amendment IX, Amedment VI cl.2
    Ratified by 11 states on December 15, 1791. First US federal law.

    The first paragraph of our first federal law mentions six goals towards which this first (and all future laws?) are directed. These five goals are the reasons we have a government: (1) to establish Justice, (2) insure domestic tranquility, (3) provide for the common defense, (4) promote the general Welfare and (5) secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
    United Nations Declaration of Human Rights
    and Article 25: Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

    I was looking for a quote didnt find the one I wanted but these are just a few that support my view.


    Quote Originally Posted by inthebutt View Post
    you know why I don't care about this health bill??

    because I have a great health plan with my company and I'm pretty sure the government couldn't give me any of these benefits for the price that I get them at.
    If the public option is done right it would work just as well and have low cost. If every one paid there monthly fee, no different groups just one big group theres plenty of healthy people not getting sick. So theres a big pot of money for the hospital and clinics can get and we focus the preventive care for all poor and rich and the poor wont get as sick as much meaning it will keep cost low and every one healthy thats in our country. We dont need private care, general care should be given to the people. Its not even socialist since it be a benefit from our government. It be the same as having public school and roads, those are all benefits.
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