Admin Only Section

[inthebutt]

I believe this has been brought up before and it never went anywhere.

christmas is right too by the way.

what I used to do was make a massive steam chat with every admin in ZM and we talked it out that way. it was alot quicker too, instead of posting and waiting for someone else to post.

try the steam way first and see if you like it or not.

[Tragedy]

thx for the opinion but I'd like to hear others ideas/opinions regarding this before we all settle for less.

[Christmas]

I've made plenty of my own websites and forums and it isn't a burden to create new a section and limit it to a certain group of people (aka admins and clan members).

Unlike most in this community, I dislike the drama and I think this would be a great way to get rid of a bit of it instead of just "oops I deleted your thread/post teehee" and then that person makes another thread and is more pissed.

What? This is a clan member issue not an admin one.

Having an admin only section will also keep admin bashing away from the public for the most part. Because when an admin does something wrong, they have like 10+ different people bashing on them including admins and regular community members alike. This is then followed with the admin getting defensive and 5+ pages of flame wars, abuse (in my eyes) and humiliation. This could all be avoided with an admin section.

People are going to bash the admins regardless of there being an admin section. Most of the time it is regulars anyway, and they won't have the ability to use that section.

Clan members aren't allowed to publicly abuse/flame each other...so why should admins? That's stupid. This would also provide space for them to sort out their debate away from the public eye.

Once again, this has nothing to do with there being a separate section. If the clan members didn't have their own section they still wouldn't be allowed to flame each other.

Christmas, if you don't like the idea of this, just keep your opinions to yourself. Strongly disagree? Would it harm you having one? No. Stop being so bleak.

thx for the opinion but I'd like to hear others ideas/opinions regarding this before we all settle for less.

If you want people to give their opinions then you better deal with the fact people's opinions may be against your idea. I strongly disagree because it will solve nothing. Don't ask for opinions then tell those against to keep their opinions to themselves.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

The topic has been discussed and shot down. Christmas has a lot of valid points.

[Tragedy]

The topic has been discussed and shot down. Christmas has a lot of valid points.

Shot down by whom? I just posted it today and b/c christmas says no, it is shot down? I mean yeah if it was discussed between ZERO and all other clan members somehow in the past few hours in a private section, then I can understand. But if not that...then how is it already shot down? Oh and Christmas's points are far from valid.

[Fireye]

I like the idea of an admin only section. It really isn't appropriate to post in the admin help forum asking how to run a specific admin comand. Could also be used to note persons of interest, wrt hacking or suspected rule violations. The only downside, in my view, is that it segments some discussions away from the regular members.

[OMGBEARS]

I can see Christmas' points; it would be more work for Zero when he already does a great deal managing the server-side of things. Re-uploading and fixing GG, something about hells-demon in WCS (wierd ass mofo's), and two more servers to upgrade and streamline are some of the examples on some of the things on his plate that I don't want to see postponed for an admin forums when he could just be working on that check list of his.

That being said, I must disagree with Christmas -- an admin forums would be a nice addition and a welcomed thing for discussing server rules and such before bringing something final to the community as a whole. Beyond this, we are essentially share holders in this server, and incidentally the community. Whereas the clan members provide the leadership within the community, admins provide a financial base without which the community would dissolve. This is not to mention we likewise provide a very important leadership role within the community as well. In many cases admins are better known than some of the IBIS members on the various servers from which a lot of the community comes from. Do we deserve something out of the way of the community as a whole? I would wager a yes; not a dividend from our contribution to the server but the ability to propose, discuss, and update server-side policy then bring it to the community as a whole as a more finished version.

In addition, we could have a spot where console command lists for the server, examples on demoing hackers, simple guides for new admins (what not to do, etc), and in general anything else that really has nothing to do with the community and tends to clutter the boards as is.

I think it's a solid idea.

[Tragedy]

^^ I really like your take on things OMGbears. You definitely had a lot more points/ideas than I did, hahaha. I am going to edit your opinions into my first post.

[Christmas]

Tragedy, this is a discussion forum, and if you want to make points without anyone going against you where you can stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" then go and write on a blog.

The community wouldn't function if every thread could only have comments that agree with the OP. That isn't what the community is about.

In short: If you can't take an opinion contrary to yours then fuck off.

[Tragedy]

Im not going to multi quote you like you did me but...

1. Clan member issue? I was talking about admin drama when admins start arguing, clan members start just deleting stuff. It doesn't look good when admins argue publicly on the forums...so an admin section would correct this. Think outside the box christmas.

2. I think that if a regular is bashing an admin, the problem would then need to be taken into the admin section only instead of debating/arguing for all eyes to see. Here the admins could discuss the problem with the admin in question and come up with a solution/punishment instead of a shit load of bashing on the forums. "you shouldn't have admin, you are a piece of shit, why are you here blah blah" It looks bad. You might like the kiddie drama here, but I don't.

3. Regarding clan member flaming, again...think a bit harder on my point. A lot of our admins don't get along and argue/flame in front of everyone and argue out in the open forums for everyone to see and join along in. If there was a private section, we could keep this contained in that section where our regulars could not see our issues and how fucked up our admin community is.

4. As for your opinion...This isn't a topic that should even get "bashed down". It is an IDEA that I think would better our community and help out, even in the smallest way. Why should that deserve negative comments? I know you love to try and argue but I don't need it in my thread. I don't need multi-quotes with you trying to prove a point against mine and others ideas.

I really don't care to argue with you christmas, so please stop posting in this thread.