Admin Only Section

[loka]

What the hell do you need help with? Commands? Google.com. Need to find something? Search tab is up there I see. OR You can send ZERO a PM. I find that is the most effective way of getting my issue resolved.

[walterbrunswick]

Jesus Christ you people write a lot.

+1 Agree with Christmas, -1 Disapprove of Tragedy's idea. Admins and regularly are both an integrated part of the community so it would be redundant.

+1 to sticky help guides and procedures.

[OMGBEARS]

What the hell do you need help with? Commands? Google.com. Need to find something? Search tab is up there I see.

You really aren't adding anything by degrading others in this thread. We actually have some intelligent discourse going on, and we don't need you to ruin it with comments tinged with such awful sarcasm.

IBIS is really one of the few places where I've been where admins aren't actually apart of the clan and undergo no screening process before assuming the responsibilities of adminship. Then again, I'm relatively new to steam-based communities so that's on me. I've led guilds with anywhere from 50 tightly organized members to hundreds of members and you're right, there is always a group of players at the top who make the decisions and delegate out said decisions to the rest of the group.

My argument is that the benefit of having a private forums for admins would outway the work required to do so. At the very least, having a private place where new admins can ask dumb questions or admins can confront admins on abuse, away from the prying eyes of the greater community would be very convenient in my opinion. Likewise, not all admins have the mani admin command list bookmarked, or have an idea of where to look on how, exactly, to record a demo of a hacker, or what to look for before permanently banning members of the community. It's better to simply have one place where you can go for all of those things.

And hell, the Admin Help sub-forum could simply act as a launching point for the area. Also, if I remember correctly, Zero was at one point going to put a private admin-only section of the forums in ANYWAYS. I think it may still be on his docket.

[loka]

Actually it wasn't sarcasm. I was super cereal. Anyways, welcome to steam communities. Not the first place where admins were given admin with $$ and no application. It's actually 11 bucks a month to support the server not just for admin. Half of the admins didn't even bother to check the forums on their abuse. They would READ about it, but never bothered to check or defend aka I know I did something wrong, but I don't care. I don't care and I don't care to defend my actions.

Secondly, your only looking for trouble on a section full of flame wars. Not "admin help" or anything like that. Whose going to police the admin thread? Regular admins? Or clan members? Can't be regular admins because then you'll have people crying about why they aren't forum admin on that section. Then initially if someone deleted a post, people would start crying much like they already do. In case you haven't noticed, a good percentile of this community are admins. You want an area? Create a steam community.

Thirdly, the area your talking about got debunked after a forum glitch.

[Tragedy]

I don't pay $11 to search google for commands and find out information that way. Lets say admins were wanting to start going incognito and hide their "adminship" while playing to better catch hackers/spammers...blah blah. What are we going to do, post it out in the open on the forums? "Yeah guys I'm going to go under this name TEEHEE no one will know". 5 minutes later a regular comes in "you guys are idiots". OH NOES THEY KNOW.

I'm not one to degrade people but some of yalls opinions are pure ruh-tard quality.

Yeah, clan members might have been "around a while" or "more highly thought of" by SOME, but since when does them being in the clan mean they make all of the decisions around here? Yeah...admins PAY to get "leadership" on the servers, but there are a handful or more that have ideas that could easily benefit the IBIS servers and forums. You all make it seem that admins are worthless pieces of shit. "you pay to have this...you weren't chosen...all you can do is ban muahahaha". Why are some of you admins even admins if you don't want to help change/advance/progress the servers and forums? Do you really pay $11 a month just to save your asses from getting banned/punished and so you can pick on other people?

I will agree that most admins are morons and are hated by the community/clan members...w/e....but there are a bunch that help the community and can make a huge difference as well.


ZERO stated that he is going to be adding "Admin levels" and certain admins will be able to have certain privileges and some wont. Another thing that this section of the forums could be good for.

Also...it's not like the admins who are going to use this possible section are going to make huge decisions that are going to blow by clan members and ZERO.



In short...this will benefit the forums and severs more than it could hurt it ANY day. And not to mention, to all of you who know nothing about forums...this isn't going to place a larger burden or more stress on ZERO. It is VERY easy to add another section to a forum and limit it to certain people only. I have done it numerous times for my old WoW guilds forums and websites I was the GM/moderator of. Very simple.

[loka]

I don't pay $11 to search google for commands and find out information that way.

http://www.counter-strike.com/commands/mani_mod/

Have fun. You have clan members telling you no. Bad idea. End of story.

[Tragedy]

Secondly, your only looking for trouble on a section full of flame wars. Not "admin help" or anything like that. Whose going to police the admin thread? Regular admins? Or clan members? Can't be regular admins because then you'll have people crying about why they aren't forum admin on that section. Then initially if someone deleted a post, people would start crying much like they already do. In case you haven't noticed, a good percentile of this community are admins. You want an area? Create a steam community.

Thirdly, the area your talking about got debunked after a forum glitch.

^^the highest ranking admins and clan members can moderate this section. ZERO said he is about to give admins rank levels and the highest will have multiple privlidges that none of the others will have...and this can be one of them. I mean shit, there are like 10+ admins that are on the forums constantly throughout the day. I'm sure this part of the forum will be used very often. And who said it was just going to be a flame war? I think it will be a great area to access help, admin commands, discuss abuse, discuss regulars, people we need to watch, people we should convince to get admin (muahaha), and a shit load more.

http://www.counter-strike.com/commands/mani_mod/

Have fun. You have clan members telling you no. Bad idea. End of story.

Loka, I happen to know the commands thanks. I was making a point. Oh noes, 2 clan members said they don't think it should happen...that means it SHOULDN'T HAPPEN RIGHT?! Because clan members run this place right? The dozen other ppl who said yes don't mean shit right? Fucking think before you speak.

I really don't see how this can hurt anyone. Some of you might have a negative outlook towards it but when you think about it, it really CAN'T hurt anyone or anything to have this done. get it through your skulls.

[OMGBEARS]

Secondly, your only looking for trouble on a section full of flame wars. Not "admin help" or anything like that. Whose going to police the admin thread? Regular admins? Or clan members? Can't be regular admins because then you'll have people crying about why they aren't forum admin on that section. Then initially if someone deleted a post, people would start crying much like they already do. In case you haven't noticed, a good percentile of this community are admins. You want an area? Create a steam community.

The current forum moderators would police the admin forums. Additionally senior admins could provide moderation if Zero saw fit. Essentially, anyone Zero feels comfortable with those powers would be able to use said powers.

The benefit of having a closed forum broken off from the general community is that there is less moderation needed. The officer forums in the guilds I've ran in the past have had no moderation needed. This is because people who have undergone a screening process and fit within pre-determined leadership qualities within the community can generally take criticism, as well as give it and not be complete assholes about it. I don't remember off-hand but I believe I mentioned the screening process in regards to admins. This would be an important thing to implement before using the section beyond a resource and q & a point of view. That being said, having a dedicated forum for those things wouldn't be some giant burden that would be unmanagable.

Thirdly, the area your talking about got debunked after a forum glitch.

I'm not entirely clear on what you mean by this. I remember Zero talking about an admin-only section in an earlier post of his. I'm not sure what a forum glitch would have to do with said forum.

[loka]

I don't like half the admins Tragedy. AKA Flame war. Start a steam community if your really that concerned. I don't want to be part of an "admin" section. I rather people discuss my "shitty admin ways" out in the open or ask me questions about a command directly. Not indirectly and hidden.

[walterbrunswick]

Christmas, NYS, ITB, and myself, and others, are telling you why this is a dumb idea.


Give it up already and stop being a dead horse.

If you want to have a "disguise party" you can do it in a Steam chat, or if you know what IRC is, get a client and join a channel with other IBIS clan members.

In fact, having an IRC channel for IBIS gaming would be a great idea.

http://www.mirc.com/

I propose that we use EFnet!