well maynard i think this seriously needs to be in the rules tho because it gains no advantage for anyone what he does is summon wait 2 seconds and jumps in the water himself so u dont even fall u start in the water and he kills himself in the process..... the rule says u can summon over cliffs which would mean u would actually fall not drown instantly which in the cliff case u can go spiderman and get away but in the water u cant counteract it at all he dies before you and than you die. you cant go shadowhunter or anything to even possibly kill him