Health Care Reform

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Yea in APus we learned that it was not over slavery but states rights, although I know that most HS will teach that it is about slavery b/c most of our education system is not about teaching.

lol, AP us history.

loved that class. Mrs. Masty taught us that the south was screwed because it's products were cotton, tobacco, a little bit of sugar, rice, and indigo.

Sung (kid in class) complained that that's not too bad, and she said something like "yeah, you don't eat cotton sung, and what are you going to do with the rest?" and he replies "what about the indigo?" and she says "indigo? indigo's a dye" he says "i know! and you also have cotton!"


sung was an idiot...

[loka]

Yea in APus we learned that it was not over slavery but states rights, although I know that most HS will teach that it is about slavery b/c most of our education system is not about teaching.

If you read most of the text books that come out, they proclaim the main reason was for slavery, and Lincoln was single-handedly responsible for freeing the slaves. This isn't accurate. The issue isn't mainly that schools don't teach. It's that the education board who orders the text books don't take the time to look at what's in the text books. Text books aren't accurate. They are written by other professors with Ph.D's in their respected subject. With those professors come different ideas and philosophies that they feel is responsible and what isn't. When I was a freshman in high school, I was encouraged to read this book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong." If anything, it clarifies what authors of American History text books like to sugar coat. Going into college, they seem to broaden the sense of the realities of American History, especially if history becomes your major... you basically have to erase everything that was taught to you in high school.

[gas.]

I agree but I had to point out the obivious flaw in gus' statment.

What flaw was that? I wasn't speaking about slavery at all with that statement, rather the belief that states would be allowed to secede if they wish.

[gas.]

If you read most of the text books that come out, they proclaim the main reason was for slavery, and Lincoln was single-handedly responsible for freeing the slaves. This isn't accurate. The issue isn't mainly that schools don't teach. It's that the education board who orders the text books don't take the time to look at what's in the text books. Text books aren't accurate. They are written by other professors with Ph.D's in their respected subject. With those professors come different ideas and philosophies that they feel is responsible and what isn't. When I was a freshman in high school, I was encouraged to read this book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong." If anything, it clarifies what authors of American History text books like to sugar coat. Going into college, they seem to broaden the sense of the realities of American History, especially if history becomes your major... you basically have to erase everything that was taught to you in high school.

Basically. Lincoln only freed the southern slaves and did so in an attempt to cripple the southern economy with hopes of an uprising.

[mastercheff]

Fuck this healthcare bullshit and fuck you democrats in Washington.

lol American education is down the gutter if you ask me. In Europe they actually teach kids how to use knives and forks and thats still in elementary school. I honestly could care less about this new healthcare thingy but i'll go with the crowd this time.

[ZERO]

I am sure they will teach us how to eat in school soon too b/c we can not be providing healthcare for people who do not know how to eat.

[A Baby Panda]

I am sure they will teach us how to eat in school soon too b/c we can not be providing healthcare for people who do not know how to eat.

Well everyone could wheel around a personal IV.

[Spasm]

"The true danger to democracy is the radical liberal policies of Barack Obama and his willing accomplices in the House and Senate like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. A recent CNN poll found that 62% of Americans now believe that the federal government is so large that it threatens their individual freedom. Doesn't that bother the liberal? A CBS poll on Wednesday found that 56% of Americans want the Republicans to continue their legal challenges to Obama's health care bill. Why? Because of both process and substance.

Contrary to the views of the liberal, the American people are not stupid. They know that what we just witnessed in the passage of the health care bill was Washington politics at its worst. A highly unpopular bill negotiated behind closed doors and out of the public view; Democrat leaders changing the rules in the middle of the game through the use of the reconciliation process to thwart legitimate challenges to the bill, and the outright bribery of members of the House and Senate through the use of earmarks to buy enough votes to ensure its passage. It was a disgrace, and the American people saw it for what it was - a naked power grab more appropriate for a banana republic then a democratic-republic.

Then they saw the substance. Passage by fiat of a government takeover of 1/6 of the American economy. Government bureaucrats now making decision about who gets what services using who knows what standards. And let's face it. The American people are smart enough to know that the government has never run a social program that it hasn't run into the ground. The notion that we can add 32 million people to the health care system, charge only the wealthiest 2% higher taxes and somehow expect not only that it will not increase the deficit, but will somehow reduce it is patently absurd. The CBO numbers broke even only becuase the taxes start right away, but the expenses don't start until 2014. Ten years of revenue and only six years of expenses. The dirty little secret is that by 2020, the program will be flooded by red ink and taxes, in some form, will be raised on everyone in order to pay for it.

Finally, the American people know that the federal government does not have the Constitutional authority to require you to purchase anything under penalty of sanctions or jail. This is still America, not Communist China and actually, come to think of it, Barack Obama is rapidly making this country less capitalist than Communist China. Barack Obama now runs two of the three U.S. car manufacturers. He now, for all intents and purposes, runs many of the major banking institutions like Citibank. He has put in place a "pay Czar" whose job is to dictate how much private sector companies can pay to their executives. Barack Obama was not elected to fundamentally change the basic free-market principles upon which this Nation was founded.

The vast majority of the American people believe that the proper role of government is to only what is necessary to ensure that we have the opportunity to utilize our God-given talents to create a better life for ourselves and for our families. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the liberal majorities in Congress not only don't agree, but are doing everything possible to thwart the will of the People.

Violence is not appropriate, but the American people are pissed off by the arrogance of the Democrats and something tells me our Founding Fathers, who fought a Revolution for less, would be first in line to vote them out in November. I say good for them."

Thought this was a relative read to our debate

[OMGBEARS]

Where is the source for that article, Spasm?

[loka]

Where is the source for that article, Spasm?

Looks like an op/ed, which an op/ed is not something you want to call a source. It's an editorial of opinions.