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OMGBEARS I just don't trust these motherfuckers, it makes me nervous that the checks and balances system in the senate thats supposed to prevent a one sided goverment from forming has failed and NONE of us know the specifics of the modifications to healthcare system in those 2000 pages, we only know of its generalizations.
On a side note: acolyte_to_jippity you gotta stick with the classics!
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dumbass, i was referencing the communism developing in america now.Originally Posted by Kavinsky
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On take a joke, I was referencing nazism and the start of a one party system and how well it worked out for germany, which was more or less the forerunner to communism.
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Communism oh NO! Quick Acolyte, we must get to the cave of Justice and get our Democracy capes so we can stop this vile injustice of the American people! Communism NOOO!! Then all the rich people would lose their millions of dollars and instead of spending money on themselves they would have to spend it on the welfare of other people. Evil vile!
China tried Communism and they...... well..... China....
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Have you seen the debate on health care? It'd definitely a two sided argument. Republicans who are all "no" and (most) democrats who are all "yes." Bipartisanship is out due to republicans making militants of their base by demonizing anything pushed by democrats and progressives. If they even think about voting with democrats their base will simply find someone else. However, this isn't simply a republican problem, now it's become a problem for all of us.
According to this poll 20% of Americans prefer Socialism to Capitalism, 53% of Americans outright prefer capitalism of Socialism, and 27% of Americans are unsure. This is after taking into consideration that Americans under 30, of which 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided, you begin to see a trend: there is a paradigm shift about to happen in American within the next 25 years. I have no doubt that there will be a socialist movement in America to replace the free-market way of thinking in our lifetimes.
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The reason why people under 30 believe this way is because from the day you are put into the school system, you are getting brainwashed by leftist teachers. Its hard not to be that way when all your taught for the first 20 years or so of your life is that you don't earn things, people owe it to you. You should listen to some of the lectures my leftist college professors give, it is downright sad. Hell one of my professors is literally worshipping Al Gore every class, and if I dare oppose I will suffer with lower grades just because of my views
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I couldn't agree more.... I once had an economics teacher who was very very into communism.
Needless to say I had to drop the class before my big mouth got me a failing grade.
I took the class the very next semester from a less biased professor and got an A in the class.
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Spasm, you don't seem to realize that countries aren't like people -- they can go into debt and do deficit spending. People die, and countries are a wee bit more stable. Per capita, we are the richest nation in the world with the highest GDP in the world, as well. Debt or no, we still control the most wealth.
On the flip side, Spasm, you speak as there is some sort of purely "leftist" attitude pervading in the schools. I agree to an extent that our schools have gotten more and more liberal over the years, I hold to the idea that every hundred generations or so there is a shift in thought. Conservative thought is a stance of the last thousand years or so. The privileged get the whole pie and every one else is relegated to what they can manage. For me, this isn't right. It isn't how things should go down in my book. Every human being is deserving of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Just because they were born underprivileged doesn't mean they should be constrained to that. Society benefits the most when the poorest of us are afforded the most charity.
No president has done more to expand executive power (and the federal government with it) and to increase government spending than Bush. Putting us into two wars and wasting over 700 billion dollars in those theaters alone (not withstanding tax cuts and the like) was no small feat. Sure, Obama has supported the war in Afghanistan, at least we had a reason to go in there, however shortsighted we may have been at the time. There was no legitimate reason to go into Iraq. Republicans wanted 40,000 troops for a surge in Afghanistan, Obama sent 30,000. Again, Obama is attempting to solve three wars, a recession, as well as handle a heavily polarized house and senate due to Republican fear mongering.
Socialism isn't wrong, it's simply a different set of values. If I would think that my values were the only way to live then I would be an idiot. Capitalism isn't wrong, it's simply a different set of values. If you were to think your values were the only way to live then you would be an idiot. I know many more Capitalist idiots in this world than Socialist ones. Don't get me wrong, both sides have them, but as far as one being right or wrong? It's the majorities call on that one.
Yeah. I'm an admin. What of it?
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Not true. Especially after arguing heavily with this idiot who thought he knew about leftist shit. Back during the 50s with McCarthyism, college professors were especially paranoid to get pinned for being a "communist" based on their job description -THINKING. A majority of teachers and professors are thinkers. Explanation is they think for a living and you don't. Explanation is they have far more liberal thinking than the average person who does not divulge their life into books and shit. If you ever actually tried to argue with a professor, they will give you the benefit of the doubt by citing books and information. If your basing shit based on your own personal views, they will laugh at you. They are intellectuals and if your going to argue with them, get on their level of intellectualism. Otherwise, everything that I have learned from my professors have been cut dry. I've erased meaningless literature classes, and economic class lectures because a lecture is an idea of sorts coming from the professor, NOT from the actual information being divulged in the readings and texts. The point of college is to challenge your mind and the professor, not actually take everything from the professor as truth. As I told the other person who shut up with this point... I took the time to dissect all the information that was given to me by the professor, cite sources to contradict, and get good marks because I showed my intellectualism with someone of the same standard. If your that lazy of a student, then college admissions is getting too easy for idiots to get into.
If you talk to most soldiers who have been in Iraq, they will tell you there was absolutely no reason for them to start up in Iraq, and their focus should have been in Afghanistan. Are they proud to serve their country regardless? Of course, but they definitely disagreed with the actions taken to send all the man power to Iraq, and leave Afghanistan to a small amount of troops from all four branches. Now they are even more pissed off because Iraq is in disarray from poor execution and poor misguided intel and the country that should have been attacked (Afghanistan) is just now starting to get priority when it should have gotten immediate priority in 2003.
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Got a blister? Ibuprofen. Can't feel from your waist down? Ibuprofen. Got a spider bite? Ibuprofen. - SPC S-Rod & Me
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Yeash you know the simplest way to put it is to use an old term, I'm a strict anti federalist.
Yes its not a perfect idea in this world but its certainly better than letting the goverment control everything.
I mean after all the last thing you want for anything is for someone with no interest in it to take it over and run it into the ground.
Which exactly is what the secretary of the treasury did with the banks, he told them to give morgages to people who couldnt possibly pay them back in the first place let alone with the interest rates tacked on and suprise suprise that backfired
God only knows whats going to happen next, but one things becoming more and more apparent both of these parties can't run the country for shit.
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