Health Care Reform

[loka]

I wanted to point out that all the countries you mentioned have been ranked to atleast be top 10 in low mortality infant rates (Japan, Norway, France) higher life expectancy (Japan, Canada, France). The US has been cited for having one of the highest mortality rates in children. Just saying.

Do you know why insurance companies put physical damage to the vehicle? Because people would be suing left and right. I rather have the insurance companies deal with the dumb cunt that doesn't know how to drive than me going up to her and stabbing her in the face. Or you guys could move to Canada if you don't like it. Like I said, mandatory draft. It shuts people up fast. Be lucky you don't live in Israel.

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[Scrubbleboo]

Sure are system is not perfect either

But

The vast majority of our population stays healthy, this means a healthy population can work more.

Also everywhere in the world services such as the police are socialized they have a mandate to protect and serve the people, doctors have the same mandate to protect life and serve the people.

In the end your health care benifits those who can afford it.

To this entire thread: Know what the fuck you are talking about before you go into a rant about TAXES! SOCIALISM! RAWR! If you don't read reliable news sources, spend a large chunk of your time doing research, or just plain have an opinion based on what those around you spout with vehement force out of their mouths you shouldn't speak up. I will be hard-pressed to believe the majority of you even pick up a newspaper other than to read the Sunday comics.

If you are under the age of 18 or have no job, do not even get me fucking started on how much of a vagina you sound like crying "BAWW TAXES".

Let me state, for the record (so official), I was in a pub about two years ago speaking to three Brit doctors about the health care system. Not only do they make more money for every person they convince to stop smoking, drinking or doing drugs but they also are encouraged to put an emphasis on what is necessary procedure during medical examinations. They found the US's health care system to be atrocious.

I also recently read an article which found that doctors in America order more unnecessary tests than any other country in the world because they receive more money from insurance companies as well as malpractice suits up the wazoo. Most blood work and MRI's are completely unnecessary in routine check-ups when these professionals are trained to determine what is ailing you.

Currently this is the ranking of the world's health care systems based on preventable deaths, life expectancy, health care performance, and total health expenditure of GDP.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

[Curdy]

It would appear Europe has owned America in the health care rankings.

[Kavinsky]

Makes you wonder what would happen if you did a bill and ted and brought everyone back from the signing of the constitution and droped them in modern day washington to see how warped the goverments becoming.

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I wanted to point out that all the countries you mentioned have been ranked to atleast be top 10 in low mortality infant rates (Japan, Norway, France) higher life expectancy (Japan, Canada, France). The US has been cited for having one of the highest mortality rates in children. Just saying.

Do you know why insurance companies put physical damage to the vehicle? Because people would be suing left and right. I rather have the insurance companies deal with the dumb cunt that doesn't know how to drive than me going up to her and stabbing her in the face. Or you guys could move to Canada if you don't like it. Like I said, mandatory draft. It shuts people up fast. Be lucky you don't live in Israel.

I don't have to own a car. I have to own health insurance. Big difference. All you guys pointing out big government is the way to go, I hope you see the day when things go to hell. Our founding fathers would turn over in their graves. I know you don't care, fucking pathetic.

"Our founders knew that now only was this the only way to ensure that diverse groups in a large nation are able to address their needs from government but also that they had the freedom to escape those changes by moving. "

-- The way things should be, the way they are supposed to be. Amen to that.

Oh BTW heres some fun facts for you guys.

""I live in Ontario where by the end of this year we will spend 50% of all revenue on health care. Within 12 years it will be 70%. We have rationing of care, elimination of services and are cutting jobs across the province. Not only that, most hospitals are running huge deficits. Private care is slowly creeping into our system to make up for the shortfalls. Some nut named 'mtthw' at 7:54am said we aren't bankrupt. He's out of his mind. Do not go down this road in the US... you will regret it."

Interesting... I was talking to an MRI tech about this garbage. She tole me that there are more MRI machines in Alaska, with a population of 660,000 than in all of Canada, population over 33,000,000. Tell ya anything?"

"The current federal income tax system hurts the lower income folks more than you realize. It is grossly unfair to low income folks. Here is why. The federal government places a tax on corporate profits, but corporations do not pay taxes. It is treated as a cost, and included in the price of the product. Every product that we buy has embedded corporate income tax, about 25% or more. You don't see it on the cashier ticket, but it's there. Low income earners pay that tax just like everyone else, when they buy something. But it is a larger percentage of the low income earner's budget than of anyone elses."

"The U. S. Leadership is planning to raise all corporate taxes. The price of everything you buy will go up to cover that tax cost increase."

" Foreclosure? Short Sale? When a bank accepts less than the original loan value, bail-out money from your pocket pays for someone elses loan!
Have you seen the adds where credit card companies accept less than the owner owes? Bail out money from your pocket pays for someone elses purchases!"

"# The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to get it right; it is broke.

# Social Security was established in 1935 - you have had 74 years to get it right; it is broke.

# Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - you have had 71 years to get it right; it is broke.

# The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke.

# Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - you've had 44 years to get it right; they are broke.

# Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - you have had 39 years to get it right; it is broke.

# Trillions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009... none show any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new sap: the American taxpayer.

# And finally, to set a new record: "Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took good dependable cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on failed experiments.

So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services" you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?

20% of our entire economy? ... With all due respect, ARE YOU NUTS?

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because the law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson"

The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
Karl Marx

[loka]

As the USofA has increased in size since the founding fathers and so has the government. That is why we have big government. 50 states representing. 12 territories representing.

Here is the analogy that I've learned in police ethics class. In the United States, most things are a privilege to have. It is not a right to have a drivers license, it is not a right to get a college education, it is not a right to own a gun in certain states, and you must go through an extensive background check before you gain that right to own a gun, it is not a right to vote, I can go on. Now the government is telling you, hey... remember when health insurance was a privilege to have? Well now as a citizen of the United States it is your right to health care. If you don't want health care, just pay the fine.

Your right, any state in the US has more MRI/CT scan machines than Canada. Canada's universal health system is differential though to that of the US. If I remember correctly from my cousins who live in Canada, prescriptions, doctor visits are free. This effects the cost of obtaining new equipment. I also believe that Canada does not have private health insurances who shell out money to hospitals, and in fact illegal for them to obtain money from private funding. That is the difference between Canada's system and our system. Only thing that is changing is your right to health care. Not the funding nor the private health care. Like I said, the law needs tweaking and all your getting from the media is dribble.

And your right, I don't care. I live in a state that has 5 of the best hospitals in the world. I don't care for politics. It's a waste of brain energy to argue the distinctions and similarities. Like I have been saying, I am already required by law to obtain health insurance. A law signed by a conservative who believed in little government. It's called hypocrisy, and I would hope all of you would know government works for only big corporations and their egos. Not for the people. Never has been, never will. And if you can't beat the system then join it.

Basically everything in the USA is broke your saying. You can QQ about it or learn that raging about it won't do a damn thing.

[ZERO]

I just wanted to point out that most rankings u read are pointless and are made for and bised toward nations with socalist medical syhstems. This can be seen when you read the reports in full text and see the methods used. Also it should be aparent when you look at the orginizations who have done most of these rankings and their adjenda.

[loka]

I just wanted to point out that most rankings u read are pointless and are made for and bised toward nations with socalist medical syhstems. This can be seen when you read the reports in full text and see the methods used. Also it should be aparent when you look at the orginizations who have done most of these rankings and their adjenda.

True unless it comes from non profit sources. Then your argument becomes debunked. WHO, US Census information, CAIA info. All government sources. Now media sources; don't make me laugh. Fox news is a pundit of conservative banter and satire. CNN is a pundit of liberal banter and satire. & somwhere in between the BBC, blacklistednews etc. If you don't shop around to look at statistics and just look at one source you fail.

[ZERO]

Usually the one people use is from the UN at least from what I have seen... although here is an article I came across: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html

"they used these literacy and income data to estimate health performance."