Health Care Reform

[Curdy]

You dont see this in Europe.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Curdy my fiance's cousin is a nurse in london and she will be the first one to tell you that the way they do healthcare over there is bad. She says they run out of everything all the time, they have kick people out a lot earlier then they feel comfortable just make room for new people and she says sometimes when you talk to people who get out of surgery they tell you they have been waiting months for it.

Thats what I want, an under supplied, revolving door and a long wait at my hospital. And thats exactly what US hospitals will turn into.

So logically, you must be against school tax? Hey, there are private schools for parents, it's not your fault they can't afford it, right?

Every child deserves an education, maybe not necessarily a private one. However not everyone deserves a new car(aka cask for clunkers)

[Curdy]

Curdy my fiance's cousin is a nurse in london and she will be the first one to tell you that the way they do healthcare over there is bad. She says they run out of everything all the time, they have kick people out a lot earlier then they feel comfortable just make room for new people and she says sometimes when you talk to people who get out of surgery they tell you they have been waiting months for it.

Thats what I want, an under supplied, revolving door and a long wait at my hospital. And thats exactly what US hospitals will turn into.



Every child deserves an education, maybe not necessarily a private one. However not everyone deserves a new car(aka cask for clunkers)

Sure are system is not perfect either

But

The vast majority of our population stays healthy, this means a healthy population can work more.

Also everywhere in the world services such as the police are socialized they have a mandate to protect and serve the people, doctors have the same mandate to protect life and serve the people.

In the end your health care benifits those who can afford it.

[Kavinsky]

As my 76 year old father always says about goverment control....


They'd find a way to screw up a steel ball!

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Also everywhere in the world services such as the police are socialized they have a mandate to protect and serve the people, doctors have the same mandate to protect life and serve the people.

In the end your health care benifits those who can afford it.

You may not know this but regardless of my financial situation or insurance, If I was dying and went to the hospital, they would have to help me not matter if I could pay for it or not.

Every person deserves an education, yet that same person isn't deserving of a healthy life unless they can afford the ever growing costs while wages are continually cut? The health of the citizens should be a pillar of a society, just as education and safety are. Though it is funny that no one has issue with federal/state/local controlled fire and police departments, nor public schools -- it is only health care. These are the three most important fundamentals of a society, it is the very reason why villages became towns and in turn became cities. To claim one is poor policy while standing by the others is hypocritical and blatant selfishness.

Doesn't mean everyone will be healthier, sure it might lead some people to live healthier lives but just like the way it's always worked in america it most likely means that people can continue to eat till they have a heart attack or the people who refuse to wear things like helmets or seatbelts, it just means now that I am paying for people who don't care about themselves enough to take care of them to get treatment.

[Curdy]

You may not know this but regardless of my financial situation or insurance, If I was dying and went to the hospital, they would have to help me not matter if I could pay for it or not.

They would only help you if you where near death, is that really worth a risk.
But im sure the ambulance would still charge you regardless.

[Vladninja]

Thanks to the health care reform passing I am now aware of just how ignorant so many of my friends truly are... I am so glad you guys are dreamers but pissed that I will have to listen to you all whine, piss, and moan as the government takes more and more of every ones money (but hey the government has demonstrated so many times over that they are completely responsible with our money and have nothing but our best interest at heart :::sarcasm::: ). You would think that history would have taught you mindless sheep something but obviously not.

Oh and FYI for those of you that are like "Poor me I need this surgery or that procedure to help save my life cause I was born with a heart condition (or insert other bleeding heart story) and its not my fault at least now I can be a normal person..." HAHAHAHAHAHAH you are so stupid.... have you been to the DMV?

Well guess what that's now what our health care is going to be like. You will wait in a never ending line of stupidity and red tape till you die giving all your money to a government that will let you die before they spend their (that's right cause they took it... it theirs now not yours) money on that procedure. Oh and don't get old cause once you get old forget about it your definitely dead. You should also be aware the government will not allow lifesaving medicine if it cost to much. Sure the alternative medicines wont work as well but its cheaper.

Again don't worry the government would never take short cuts or do something not in your best interest. I have a Canadian friend (CUJO) who has told me countless horror story about what happens when the government takes over with health care for all.

People should be cared for....and have been for years. Why should the government be involved in it? And how is it their right to say its against the law for me to not have health insurance? If I don't have it who's problems is it? MINE! I have been seriously sick once in the last 5 years and guess who paid for it.... I did. I paid $160 cash out of pocket to physicians care... now I will be paying hundreds a year. Wonderful.

I am not heartless but the truth is you cannot be denied medical care for serious injuries in this country and in the state of Tennessee if a mother gets pregnant and can not afford the pregnancy the state will pick up the bill (trust me I know I went through it with my x girlfriend). We already pay taxes to help those in desperate need. They already take now the greedy bastards are just setting things up to take more.

Don't be sold a bill of goods.... Look into this deeper read between the lines... I'm not heartless but I'm not going to work my ass off twice as hard as the next guy just to give him half of what I make because hes less fortunate. If that makes me a fat capitalist pig so be it. I busted my ass for the things I have... and I cant stand people that expect fucking handouts. I work with people who claim to be poor and get money from the government and handouts like food stamps... these are the same jack ass's that go out every weekend partying(which last I checked isn't free). While I stay home and save my money. They need food stamps because they blow all their money on shit like illegal drugs, cigarettes, and liquor... all of which negatively affect the body so when they get sick, need a new liver, lungs, or etc... who pays the bill? I do! And please don't be fooled for a second into thinking this bill will change that.

Why do I live in a country where I am penalized for being smart and responsible while others prosper from being wastes of space? This shit is just like the damn seat belt laws. If you wanna drive without a seat belt and risk getting killed how is it any of the governments fucking business to step in and say "No you HAVE TO BE SAFE"? Who am I hurting but myself.... Obama get the fuck out of my business and the fuck out of my wallet.

If you don't believe or agree with this rant please spare your self the time of arguing unless you have something intelligent to say... or better yet just don't waste your time. Time will let us all learn together if this was the right thing or not. I'm just tired of being right on these issues... for once in my life I would love to be wrong but its not likely.

[Scrubbleboo]

Sure are system is not perfect either

But

The vast majority of our population stays healthy, this means a healthy population can work more.

Also everywhere in the world services such as the police are socialized they have a mandate to protect and serve the people, doctors have the same mandate to protect life and serve the people.

In the end your health care benifits those who can afford it.

To this entire thread: Know what the fuck you are talking about before you go into a rant about TAXES! SOCIALISM! RAWR! If you don't read reliable news sources, spend a large chunk of your time doing research, or just plain have an opinion based on what those around you spout with vehement force out of their mouths you shouldn't speak up. I will be hard-pressed to believe the majority of you even pick up a newspaper other than to read the Sunday comics.

If you are under the age of 18 or have no job, do not even get me fucking started on how much of a vagina you sound like crying "BAWW TAXES".

Let me state, for the record (so official), I was in a pub about two years ago speaking to three Brit doctors about the health care system. Not only do they make more money for every person they convince to stop smoking, drinking or doing drugs but they also are encouraged to put an emphasis on what is necessary procedure during medical examinations. They found the US's health care system to be atrocious.

I also recently read an article which found that doctors in America order more unnecessary tests than any other country in the world because they receive more money from insurance companies as well as malpractice suits up the wazoo. Most blood work and MRI's are completely unnecessary in routine check-ups when these professionals are trained to determine what is ailing you.

Currently this is the ranking of the world's health care systems based on preventable deaths, life expectancy, health care performance, and total health expenditure of GDP.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

[Curdy]

It would appear Europe has owned America in the health care rankings.

[Kavinsky]

Makes you wonder what would happen if you did a bill and ted and brought everyone back from the signing of the constitution and droped them in modern day washington to see how warped the goverments becoming.