Health Care Reform

[OMGBEARS]

fuck
my
life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI

The Soviet National Anthem is SUCH a beautiful piece of music.

1. Kill the president
2. Kill Vice Pres
3. Kill Representive of the house
4. MAKE John McCain or Hilary Pres.
5. Prob done!

Hillary wants a single payer system. I think you're mistaken in this list.

I'll make a bigger post later, but this is all I'll say for now:

This there is no public option. This is essentially a mandate that all Americans must purchase health care. Subsidies will generally be issued in the form of a tax credit rather than an outright payment via government sources. Yada yada yada. If you want to make comments on health care, read a bit before you make mindless comments.

The United States has the largest wealth and at the same time, one of the lowest life expectancies out of any first world country. It's generally safe to correlate life expectancy to quality of health care.

We have wasted over 800 billion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last 8 years on two wars that haven't made us any safer on the world stage (in before "YES THEY HAVE"). Point being: if there is always money for war, then why is there never money for our national well-being?

Again, longer post later.

[Kavinsky]

OMGBEARS I just don't trust these motherfuckers, it makes me nervous that the checks and balances system in the senate thats supposed to prevent a one sided goverment from forming has failed and NONE of us know the specifics of the modifications to healthcare system in those 2000 pages, we only know of its generalizations.

On a side note: acolyte_to_jippity you gotta stick with the classics!

[acolyte_to_jippity]

On a side note: acolyte_to_jippity you gotta stick with the classics!

dumbass, i was referencing the communism developing in america now.

[Kavinsky]

On take a joke, I was referencing nazism and the start of a one party system and how well it worked out for germany, which was more or less the forerunner to communism.

[OMGBEARS]

OMGBEARS I just don't trust these motherfuckers, it makes me nervous that the checks and balances system in the senate thats supposed to prevent a one sided goverment from forming has failed and NONE of us know the specifics of the modifications to healthcare system in those 2000 pages, we only know of its generalizations.

Have you seen the debate on health care? It'd definitely a two sided argument. Republicans who are all "no" and (most) democrats who are all "yes." Bipartisanship is out due to republicans making militants of their base by demonizing anything pushed by democrats and progressives. If they even think about voting with democrats their base will simply find someone else. However, this isn't simply a republican problem, now it's become a problem for all of us.

dumbass, i was referencing the communism developing in america now.

According to this poll 20% of Americans prefer Socialism to Capitalism, 53% of Americans outright prefer capitalism of Socialism, and 27% of Americans are unsure. This is after taking into consideration that Americans under 30, of which 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided, you begin to see a trend: there is a paradigm shift about to happen in American within the next 25 years. I have no doubt that there will be a socialist movement in America to replace the free-market way of thinking in our lifetimes.

[anex]

dumbass, i was referencing the communism developing in america now.

Communism oh NO! Quick Acolyte, we must get to the cave of Justice and get our Democracy capes so we can stop this vile injustice of the American people! Communism NOOO!! Then all the rich people would lose their millions of dollars and instead of spending money on themselves they would have to spend it on the welfare of other people. Evil vile!

China tried Communism and they...... well..... China....
....
...
..
.... Well China owns us.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Omgbears that poll just goes to show that most americans have no real idea what Communism really is, sure everyones equal, fair for all etc etc... sounds good on paper but could never work in society and you wanna know why? For it to work everything needs to be perfect but since nothing ever is and people are and always will be corrupt communism is one of the worse formats of gov't.

Anex... really? I am pretty sure on that post alone shows me you honestly have no idea what your talking about, sure china as a country itself is rich, but why don't you go take a trip over there and make a legit argument that they are better off.

Originally Posted by Holy-Sonic
1. Kill the president
2. Kill Vice Pres
3. Kill Representive of the house
4. MAKE John McCain or Hilary Pres.
5. Prob done!

[---------Horse---------child-------------teenager------------collegegrad---------senior citizen]

were you belong. ^

while I don't like the president, I think it's dumb when people bring up killing him as the answer. Well put holy

[anex]

Anex... really? I am pretty sure on that post alone shows me you honestly have no idea what your talking about, sure china as a country itself is rich, but why don't you go take a trip over there and make a legit argument that they are better off.

What, you don't mean Communism isn't puppies, rainbows and unicorns spread over the horizon in a wonderful beach oasis? DAMNIT Karl Marx lied to me!

I was just kind of making fun because of the "Communism" scare we had back in WW2. Obama = Socialized Health Care. Socialized Health Care = Communism. Therefore Obama = Communist. OMG They are back!!

[Spasm]

The Soviet National Anthem is SUCH a beautiful piece of music.



Hillary wants a single payer system. I think you're mistaken in this list.

I'll make a bigger post later, but this is all I'll say for now:

This there is no public option. This is essentially a mandate that all Americans must purchase health care. Subsidies will generally be issued in the form of a tax credit rather than an outright payment via government sources. Yada yada yada. If you want to make comments on health care, read a bit before you make mindless comments.

The United States has the largest wealth and at the same time, one of the lowest life expectancies out of any first world country. It's generally safe to correlate life expectancy to quality of health care.

We have wasted over 800 billion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last 8 years on two wars that haven't made us any safer on the world stage (in before "YES THEY HAVE"). Point being: if there is always money for war, then why is there never money for our national well-being?

Again, longer post later.

There is no public option YET. This bill is not exactly what the preident wanted but it will get the job done, mark my words unless this bill gets repealed we WILL have public option before long. He has not mandated insurance costs yet be he will have to, because of all these mandates on insurance companies they will have to raise prices just to stay in business. Me personally, I am not really for the wars, but President Obama sure is for the one in Afghanistan. Oh wait you don't really hear that much, but he keeps sending more troops over there.

"The United States has the largest wealth and at the same time, one of the lowest life expectancies out of any first world country. It's generally safe to correlate life expectancy to quality of health care."
-- We are 11.4 Trillion in debt, I am pretty sure we aren't wealthy.
-- Why do people from these nationalized healthcare countries come to our country in seek of medical help?

The big issue to me is that our country was founded on strong state power and weak federal power. Every day the federal government is taking control of more aspects of this country. Which makes me wonder if anyone has heard of the state sovereignty movement.

* Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The founding fathers believed in a balance between state and federal power. This state sovereignty movement clearly arises from the belief that the balance of power has tilted too far and for too long in the direction of the federal government and that it’s time to restore that lose balance.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

that's kinda the republican party's view