I dont have this kind of money

[Perry]

Let me help you here

Seriously hallwanger you have no idea what you are talking about.

You say Ford is unreliable but then say Mazda is good? Ford makes mazda's you retard.

I'm with Masta on this, Ford is my #1.

Also a car is only as reliable as you make it. Sure some cars make it easier then others, but once again you have to know what engines are going in what.

Chrylser's 2.5l engine is probably the worse engine ever.
CORRECT!!!

Ford's 4.6 and v10 are really good, there 5.4 are not.
the 5.4 is a forged internal block. one of the most reliable in performance and towing.

GM's v6's and heavy duty engines like 5.7's and up are good. The rest arn't.
the 5.3 v8 that replaced the 5.7 makes the same hp/tq with less wear and tear, also better mileage

Honda can make a wonderful 4cyl engine, anything else and they are problematic, same with Toyota.
Correct

BMW's v6 are probably the best in the world, there v8's - v10's(new) and v12's are probably the scariest.
BMW are known for the STRAIGHT 6 nor v6. Also, BMW are overpriced too. Also. the audi W12 i believe is better. but that is just opinion there lol

VW can make a decent engine but there auto transmissions are crap.
once again correct.

Mercedes are very heavily electronically oriented.
etc etc...
and overpriced.


There are pro's and con's with all car makers. Saying American cars are crap and to buy a toyota and a honda just because they are flat better is ignorant and shows your overall knowledge of cars which probably stems from just commercials.

Probably some of the best cars on the road right now and anywhere is the ford fusion and any Hyundai. As much as i hate to agree...the tiburon is pretty nice.

And just saying, "why dont you buy a cheap civic?" Sure... if he can't afford 900$ to repair, he isn't going to be buying no civic for less, maybe a high mileage 88' civic.

Correct. thanks to idiots who went and saw F&F and then looked at there shitty civics and integras and thought, "I got a fuckin race car" anything honda now is overpriced by 2 grand on average

The best advice for him was to go get his own BCM and learn how to fix it himself.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Yes Perry BMW's are inline 6's. I forgot >< when typing this.

the W12 is most likely better, by scary I mean are SUPER expensive to fix and arn't that good.

Still not sure about the 5.4. Perhaps just different experiences.

[Perry]

i have firends who have the GT500 and Lightning trucks. I have heard and seen some of the issues you are talkin about. But the problem was idiots who either

A. turn the boost up with out a proper tune, wideband, and better cooling system.

or

B. run them to the ground without the proper maintenance

yes. anything w12 is gunna be scary to fix lol! just think of a head job on those fuckers lol!

[Rage]

This order for best trucks

GMC
DODGE
CHEVY
TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
FORD


If I knew you better I'd help ya out.

[Perry]

This order for the WORST trucks

GMC
DODGE
CHEVY
TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
FORD


If I knew you better I'd help ya out.

wut. Rage you have alot to learn. GMC and Chevy are the same company. THE SAME TRUCK RIGHT DOWN THE THE BOLTS.

Now lemme fix this bs for you.

This order for the WORST trucks. from worst to best:

TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
GMC
CHEVY
DODGE
FORD

[StarsMine]

wut. Rage you have alot to learn. GMC and Chevy are the same company. THE SAME TRUCK RIGHT DOWN THE THE BOLTS.

Now lemme fix this bs for you.

This order for the WORST trucks. from worst to best:

TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
GMC
CHEVY
DODGE
FORD

the fuck, Toyota makes great long lasting trunks.
GM, making good cars? you make me laugh rage the only good thing they have is onstar


and damn it guys stop derailing my thread

[Perry]

My family owned plenty of GM vehicles. everyone of them lasted longer than 10 years, and usually ended up have over 200k on them before trading them in.

I had a toyota tacoma, very nice but i didnt care for it. The tundra = crap.

Sorry for the derailing.

[hallwagner]

Seriously hallwanger you have no idea what you are talking about.

You say Ford is unreliable but then say Mazda is good? Ford makes mazda's you retard.

I'm with Masta on this, Ford is my #1.

Also a car is only as reliable as you make it. Sure some cars make it easier then others, but once again you have to know what engines are going in what.

Chrylser's 2.5l engine is probably the worse engine ever.
Ford's 4.6 and v10 are really good, there 5.4 are not.
GM's v6's and heavy duty engines like 5.7's and up are good. The rest arn't.
Honda can make a wonderful 4cyl engine, anything else and they are problematic, same with Toyota.
BMW's v6 are probably the best in the world, there v8's - v10's(new) and v12's are probably the scariest.
VW can make a decent engine but there auto transmissions are crap.
Mercedes are very heavily electronically oriented.
etc etc...

There are pro's and con's with all car makers. Saying American cars are crap and to buy a toyota and a honda just because they are flat better is ignorant and shows your overall knowledge of cars which probably stems from just commercials.

Probably some of the best cars on the road right now and anywhere is the ford fusion and any Hyundai.

And just saying, "why dont you buy a cheap civic?" Sure... if he can't afford 900$ to repair, he isn't going to be buying no civic for less, maybe a high mileage 88' civic.

The best advice for him was to go get his own BCM and learn how to fix it himself.

the engine isnt the only thing that factors into a cars reliability dumbass. mazda hasnt always been owned by ford as far as i know, maybe recently, but im talking before 2000. and buying a 2000 or so honda civic is a much better idea than a 93 plymouth grand voyager in terms of cost. factoring in repair costs and frequency, gas mileage, and costs that are not financial, such as convenience, enjoyment, and size. 88 civic is way too old and depending on the condition of the voyager and how much extra cash you have, you should be able to get a much better car than your current one. and i know the fusion is a great car, im talking about manufacturer averages. ford has some good models and some bad ones. but in terms of overall reliability, japanese cars are proven to be better as a whole. most of the engines you listed for american brands as being good, were 6 cylinders or more, not a great idea for money saving

[Rage]

wut. Rage you have alot to learn. GMC and Chevy are the same company. THE SAME TRUCK RIGHT DOWN THE THE BOLTS.

Now lemme fix this bs for you.

This order for the WORST trucks. from worst to best:

TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
GMC
CHEVY
DODGE
FORD

Sure, same company, but not entirely same truck. I'm not stupid perry. I've been around trucks my entire life. All I do all summer long is build mud trucks, etc etc. Chevy's are known for more factory defects.

And the tundra is far from the worst truck. all tundra's come with a posi rear end. Ever see a tundra match up with a chevy or ford? No chance for other trucks.

Suck on this perry and star, suck on this. 8====3

http://www.truckblog.com/1653-1991_c..._million_miles
http://www.thedieselpage.com/duramax/750kduramaxc.htm

Show me a ford that can match that amount of greatness

[Nemesis]

my '94 Ford Tempo is better than anything listed here.