idiot admins makeing up rules.

[Bane of Soldiers]

exact reason I don't like the rule... there's no way 2 know for sure who was actually in a tube vent first... all the rule will accomplish is pissing admins off constantly and giving them more work and shit 2 deal with... the idea is good as it would make things more balanced and fair... but the issue of actually enforcing and dealing with it would be a nightmare and imo seems 2 out weight the benefit of the rule it's self.

rezel said there's only a couple maps the rule only really needs 2 be for... so it would make sense 2 have the rule if anything limited 2 those maps... if we make a generic rule 2 per entrance 4 per 2 entrance... well... damn near every cade map is going 2 just be a bitch fest...

[Sinsanity]

It would cause a bit of an uproar to the players especially since of them are used to.stacking up in thesekind of places. What are we going to do about? Two per couch entrance or.2 per crouch spot?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

exact reason I don't like the rule... there's no way 2 know for sure who was actually in a tube vent first... all the rule will accomplish is pissing admins off constantly and giving them more work and shit 2 deal with... the idea is good as it would make things more balanced and fair... but the issue of actually enforcing and dealing with it would be a nightmare and imo seems 2 out weight the benefit of the rule it's self.

rezel said there's only a couple maps the rule only really needs 2 be for... so it would make sense 2 have the rule if anything limited 2 those maps... if we make a generic rule 2 per entrance 4 per 2 entrance... well... damn near every cade map is going 2 just be a bitch fest...

well, 'tube vents' normally would refer to tubes/vents that are single-file. aka, can't walk past people, aka, it's easy to see who's first. and i think we need a special rule for the snoopie vent. it's just WAY too cheap.

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It would cause a bit of an uproar to the players especially since of them are used to.stacking up in thesekind of places. What are we going to do about? Two per couch entrance or.2 per crouch spot?

since the rule distinctly states 2 per entrance...

[Bane of Soldiers]

If there are too many people in a spot, and everyone claims to be there first, or no one speaks up at all, just teleport them all to the spawn point. No need to freeze, kick or slay. Give them a fighting chance.

Teleporting all of the humans to the spawn, imo, is unjust, especially when there are some that can claim they got in first....even more so if zombies are already running around, especially fast zombies.....

On highschool, the stage is actually an easy spot to infect humans, propped with those easily moved boxes or not. It's just too big inside, so a bunch of fast zombies could get in and it's all over. That is with 1-2 people, even 3 people it would be fairly easy.

Give those three people under the stage the knockback gods aka p90s, m249s, and pumps or the quick reloading ak and a long attention span and you should reconsider the ease of getting in with just fast zombies. Fast zombies have around 2000 health. From experience, the highest I've hit with a pump was in the 800s. For a m249, a headshot = 130 easy. The P90 can hit 100-200 no problem. The ak can give nasty knockback and 130 with it. These of course, are harder to achieve under the stage, but the potential for damage all the bullets in one clip is devastating, so two and three clips is beyond "faily easy"......that aside, i dont see how this really involves controlling the numbers on crouch spot areas,

I find that 1 person in a tube is more than enough, having 2 people, providing neither are complete morons, is too much, usually are quite a few newbs on though.

Lol, two is a bitch, but doable. A deformed + classic = rape. Or a classic zombie train. You must be some insane zm player if one person is more than enough. Reload's a bitch on the p90 and m249, and even on the pump and auto shotty. The faster reloading ak has a fair chance, if you don't have deformed or fast zombies that glitch their hitbox, or other zombies that can maneuver very well. The smg's besides the p90 have a nice reload, but have terrible damage dealt and knockback. Pistols aren't worth too much. You're stupid if you solo with a sniper rifle. The other assault rifles are compromises between clip size, knockback, damage, and reload speed. Not a good thing

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Lolololol Zombie Mod's a mess

One more time!

[Sinsanity]

While we are on the.subject I got a question about pulling objects into you on a single file pipe. I don't remember which level I was. It was one of those levels with a floating platform. But there.was.a.large cement pipe where you can stand in. I've seen people in there with a soda machine dragged into them. The zombies can't get.him unless the pull the.object out. But he's firing and pulling back at the same time. That is considered legal?

[maynard]

either way, zero will be going over it in the next few days and making a ruling regarding the rule. I was also never told "tube vents" from the person who wrote the rule... just that it applied 2 all vents/crouch spots.... not sure if that's changed now or what, but either way like I siad, zero will be looking into this soon enough.

[Bane of Soldiers]

While we are on the.subject I got a question about pulling objects into you on a single file pipe. I don't remember which level I was. It was one of those levels with a floating platform. But there.was.a.large cement pipe where you can stand in. I've seen people in there with a soda machine dragged into them. The zombies can't get.him unless the pull the.object out. But he's firing and pulling back at the same time. That is considered legal?

That would be zm_desertfortress. Bitch of a spot, but it's doable. Round up two deformed and attack him. While the other zombies are distracting the human, have the deformed zombies start pulling. The deformed can't be seen from the humans' vantage point, and the human can't pull and shoot. It's almost guaranteed that the person in there will shoot at the other zombies because mostly only rank whores and very high ranking players use that spot. Problems might arise though, because in recent months, I've seen players assemble a team of two or three in there and they all work together to pull and fire. When that spot first arose in popularity, players would solo that spot. But even with a team, unless they are all serious rank whore 1337 persons (lol..), they might panic at two deformed pulling their machine while several zombies are running around, and are prone to either shoot the vending machine in desperation or throw a nade. Only the cool-headed last in there

[acolyte_to_jippity]

While we are on the.subject I got a question about pulling objects into you on a single file pipe. I don't remember which level I was. It was one of those levels with a floating platform. But there.was.a.large cement pipe where you can stand in. I've seen people in there with a soda machine dragged into them. The zombies can't get.him unless the pull the.object out. But he's firing and pulling back at the same time. That is considered legal?

as long as it's not a single-entrance crouch spot, it should be fine. remember, "difficult" only equals "impossible" when you're a lazy fucktard.

[Sinsanity]

This one was a single entrance so from what you are saying its illegal and ill be sure to enforce. Intention.al trapping zombies via teleported or door to kill them is legal of course?

[slipstream]

I actually do consider myself an excellent ZM player. Providing no one follows, or the zombie does not find me first I can set up an actual cade that will usually withstand zombie attacks, and usually not in some cheap spot either. As a zombie, on highschool, the stage is a bad spot, for humans, 3 humans vs 3 zombies, (no stupid players) and zombies should win. 3 fast zombies, zombies will most definitely win.

In a tube or vent, with an AK (my venting weapon of choice) it is very easy to defend because it reloads fast. Zombie trains, bring it on, AK does a lot of damage. Zombies getting too close, nows the time to throw your nade right in front of you to know them out. When they begin to train again, most are heavily damaged, and now you should be getting kills. After 3-4 kills, there might not be enough zombies, or the right classes to train properly.

There is one map too, no clue what its called, but underground there is a room with great big huge boxes, and they do move pretty easily with nades and some guns, but once the humans get just once box on an angle in the doorway, zombies cannot get in. Zombies cannot push the box because its too big. Is this an illegal cade? I think zombies can glitch through the box, but that seems a bit unreasonable to have to do.