Poor Wall hacking by STEAM_0:1:15435802 ]CI[ Hydra *BUD*

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

0: hostname: GunGame MOD+ 100tick| IBIS | FAST DL | PsychoStats
1: tcp/ip: 208.43.70.233:27015
2: licenseid: 12354
3: os: W
4: logged in: yes
5: time: Fri Aug 20 10:14:59 2010
6: anti-cheats: VAC2
7: map: gg_simpsons_train 14 active (21 max)
8: crc: 19cb2bbf
9: signature: SBSRC 410/109 GeFZ64QQVGybMUyRXy1Dq341fX+xywhKOzgPyBmzA9TL+9Tc6Z AiGxN8i9rdMBix
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Observing player ]CI[ Hydra *BUD* [STEAM_0:1:15435802]

[Tickle Me Emo]

I see no evidence of wall hacking in this demo.

The only remotely suspicious thing is the kill after 13000 ticks where, if viewed with wireframe, it almost looks like he looks at someone through the wall, looks away as if to pretend he doesn't see him through the wall, and then jerks back. That conclusion is only supportable in wireframe; when watched with wireframe off, you can clearly see the guy's foot poke out in the corner of his scope as he's moving it back to the right side entryway. That'd certainly be enough for me to jerk my scope back over. The fact that his sights were aimed at the guy through the wall is most likely coincidental - out of wireframe it looks quite like anyone would trying to cover two entryways while scoped in.

The rest of the kills look entirely ordinary, after viewing with wireframe on and off.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

1. he cant aim

2. he prefires an auto sniper and genuinly know where everyone was and was ready for a kill but his reflexs suck

3. i played a whole map before that "train" with him before making the demo

4. "coincidentally" follows a player threw the wall? are you serious? im going to coincidentally get all head shots one map and not die once alright =D

[Jeimuzu]

Anyone else have an opinion?

[Tickle Me Emo]

1. he cant aim

2. he prefires an auto sniper and genuinly know where everyone was and was ready for a kill but his reflexs suck

3. i played a whole map before that "train" with him before making the demo

4. "coincidentally" follows a player threw the wall? are you serious? im going to coincidentally get all head shots one map and not die once alright =D

1. Yes I noticed, he died a lot. Half the demo was him being dead.

2. Where did he prefire an auto-sniper? Give me a tick-spot on the demo, I'll have a look at it again. I see no evidence that he "genuinely knows" where everyone is (which I already stated, as that is the definition, basically, of a wallhacker)

3. OK?

4. He didn't follow the player, his crosshairs briefly rested on the player who was behind the wall - something that easily can occur coincidentally, particularly with those circumstances.

I've been playing CS for a very, very long time, and have dabbled in competitive leagues (not for long periods of time, but still). This is not my first ball game when it comes to admin, either. I've done extensive research into the different types of hacks and how to detect them, as well as messed about with some myself (as I've noted before). I do think I have a good idea what I'm talking about, but as I said in point 2, give me tick-marks where you see something suspicious and I'll review it again. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong if I miss something.

I am probably going to review the demo again anyways to look for signs of aim assistance, which I wasn't looking for at first, but have heard whispers of elsewhere. I must admit I'm skeptical, as like you said, he can't aim.

EDIT: I would like it if another admin or two would review the demo for additional opinions.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

I see no evidence of wall hacking in this demo.

The only remotely suspicious thing is the kill after 13000 ticks where, if viewed with wireframe, it almost looks like he looks at someone through the wall, looks away as if to pretend he doesn't see him through the wall, and then jerks back. That conclusion is only supportable in wireframe; when watched with wireframe off, you can clearly see the guy's foot poke out in the corner of his scope as he's moving it back to the right side entryway. That'd certainly be enough for me to jerk my scope back over. The fact that his sights were aimed at the guy through the wall is most likely coincidental - out of wireframe it looks quite like anyone would trying to cover two entryways while scoped in.

The rest of the kills look entirely ordinary, after viewing with wireframe on and off.

The thing at 13000 ticks, as you say, looks precisely like what you'd expect to see from someone covering two doorways. It definitely did not look like any kind of wallhacking.

I agree completely; everything looks ordinary in that demo.

[maynard]

Anyone else have an opinion?

ya.. this is a fail ban. there's not a single shred of evidence in the demo provided.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

9500 and 18000

[maynard]

9500 and 18000

lmfao.. that doesn't warrant a ban, just admit you beyond failed in banning this guy.

there's nothing in the demo you provided thats fishy, and or worth banning someone over.

there's a reason you're the only person who thinks this is a legit ban...

[Tickle Me Emo]

9500:
This is really quite straightforward. He sees the guy, the guy disappears, he aims where the guy was, the guy reappears, and then he shoots at him. He doesn't even get the kill. You did watch this with wireframe off right? It can look confusing with wireframe on.

18000:
You must have gotten the wrong tick, this isn't speccing him, and nothing is happening.