Too many wrongful bans on legit players.

[Jeimuzu]

I was wrong, ban all you want, don't watch demos, take a regulars word, it's better safer then sorry, send the good players away guys.

I'll be as polite as I possibly can about this.. You need to take a chill pill. Nor Hobo or I intend to ban anyone without good reason. Kavinsky was a reliable source, someone who you could trust if he said there was a person breaking barricades or team killing. There are many people like this. I believe someone also mentioned that 4-5 people agreed with him on the server.. Let me find the post.

I was in the game where you went 26-1 and there were two admins on both of which I believe got a demo and supposedly were going to post it.......I think one of them was mikey, and I can't remember the other one....Either way I could care less what happens to you, I wasn't the only one who thought you were being shady....I don't know what kavinsky's demo looks like, but again enough people, including admins (after spec'ing and getting demos) saw fit to ban you, so that is enough for me.

Was the demo provided? Let's see my next post..

You guys spam too much.. That needs to stop.

Player should be unbanned.

If it helps, I'll rephrase what I've said.

He was doing his job and did exactly what I have done, and what I would have done. There are some people you can trust to keep an eye out for you.. But as I've said before, wallhacking is a tricky one. Kavinsky has a demo for us to kindly share our opinions about.

^ That is my intended message. Not the "BAN FUCKING EVERYONE CAUSE THEY"RE DOING BETTER THAN MEZ!" impression you may have gotten earlier.

[Spasm]

I'll be as polite as I possibly can about this.. You need to take a chill pill. Nor Hobo or I intend to ban anyone without good reason. Kavinsky was a reliable source, someone who you could trust if he said there was a person breaking barricades or team killing. There are many people like this. I believe someone also mentioned that 4-5 people agreed with him on the server.. Let me find the post.

Ok first, four or five people did not agree with him, even the admin on at the team refused to ban fluffy. Second: Kavinsky is not a trust worthy person imo, he bitches about everything when he is in game, he gets on my nerves so bad if he wasn't a damn regular I would mute him. Third: Hobo banned him without good reason, what don't you understand about the fact he banned someone without viewing the demo, that is irresponsible. I said it earlier I will say it again because obviously you didn't read my post; you never have been good enough at CS to have idiots (and that includes ibis regulars) claiming you are hacking. Just because four or five regulars says something means absolutely nothing as to what the truth may be. There is a post somewhere where I complained about regulars spotting hacking, like 9 months ago, because they cannot spot jack shit, because guess what, they accused me of aimbot and walls, until they realised it was me. ( I was under the name QQ, and after I won going like 26-3, next map I changed my name back because they went and got an admin to ban me LMAO)

If it helps, I'll rephrase what I've said.

He was doing his job and did exactly what I have done, and what I would have done. There are some people you can trust to keep an eye out for you.. But as I've said before, wallhacking is a tricky one. Kavinsky has a demo for us to kindly share our opinions about.

^ That is my intended message. Not the "BAN FUCKING EVERYONE CAUSE THEY"RE DOING BETTER THAN MEZ!" impression you may have gotten earlier.

I didn't really even make this thread soley because of Hobo, yes hobo had a part in it, but I actually made the thread because of Mikey's bans when he was obviously drinking. I also made it because of Rage's demo of aquat1es or however you spell his name. That ban needs to be removed, terrible ban and guess what James, he got banned because a couple people in the server were basically saying this guy had walls and possibly aimbot, but when you watch the demo, no such evidence is present, and Rage demod him for like 14 rounds. He finally banned him when something fishy happened (which can be not made fishy by radar). brk or whatever is now banned for 3 fucking months because an admin said he was too good at CS and it was time to ban him. I was there, that is what happened. brk was raping faces and one was an admin, that admin had enough and banned.

Oh and I have heard mikey make comments about people being too good and they hack, which is where part of my argument comes from, and the other part is because fluffy went 26-1. Some people here are basing the fact that he hacks soley on his 26-1 performance and that is bullshit.

This is not my server nor am I part of clan. I am part of the community and I believe the way bans have been being handled is not fair to new good players in the community. While I respect that you are clan, I disagree with the way you want to handle banning of potential hackers. This thread is not full of spam, so please don't treat it as such.

[Tickle Me Emo]

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I'd like to +1 this entire post, pretty much. I've been banned from probably 20+ servers in my CS career for hacking, and been accused in countless others - like I said before, I have doubts about what would happen to me if I weren't an admin.

I understand new admins not knowing how to handle their power - how can you expect them to know, if they've never been taught? On the other hand, the continued tolerance and lack of care from the leadership is disconcerting. What does it matter if we ban good players for no reason, if they can be unbanned in a couple months? No harm done, right? Wrong. It's harmful to the community in the extreme, and ultimately will lead to the good players leaving out of disgust, if not by being banned.

We need more checks against poor bans. There have been numerous suggestions, most of which are good. Supposedly there is even something in the works in the form of the seniority system, but that's a good while off I should think, seeing as ZERO has limited time and it is tied into a forum upgrade. We need a solution now. Stop hurting the community by turning a blind eye to admins making poor decisions.

[StarsMine]

James I have respect for both you and Hobo, but Hobo did make a mistake here. Kavinsky recorded a demo to be reviewed for banned, however hobo ignored the demo and went straight to banning. Hobo has apologized as he realized his mistake here.

And like Spasm said a good random will get accused, they should not be accused and banned but put on a need to watch list as there is probably a good chance some of them are hacking, but definitely not most. Like when Spasm was QQ I never accused him but I was suspicious for sure, just beacuase he was unusually good.

Wish I could get 26-1 :/ best I have done was 24-5... Damn glock made me go to 25-9

[Jeimuzu]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own perspectives. Most of the newer admins, newer players, etc.. Have been banning for the wrong reasons (Hell, even I make mistakes). I agreed with you about wrongful bans in my very first post in this thread.

This is almost the same as when admins were making up their own rules, which I couldn't stand, personally. And if you think I like it when people get banned for the wrong reason, remember that I'm one of the few that goes through all the unban threads lol..

[Carina]

I also feel that you really need to be pretty good at cs and lots of experience just to be able to actually spot a hacker. I suggested the non perma ban hacker thing in a different thread and I got some negative responses from more senior admins (namely maynard). He pointed out that it hackers need to be banned perma, we just need to be able to spot them better. Which I do agree with him.

I really think unless the hacks are really obvious, like screen jerking and shaking while headshot left and right, basically shooting through objects to own people, you know REAL obvious hacks. I think it should be put in ban requests. The community could then watch the demo and share opinions on whether it was hacks or not.

You dont have to be good at CS just to spot a hacker.. I think I do a pretty good job on spotting a hacker and im definitely not a good CS player..

and I personally never ban a person unless im 110% on that he/she is hacking.. and IF i ban the person its only for MAX 2 days and then i make a "ban request" on the person and then you guys can deside if it needs to be a perma ban insted.. and if i dont ban the person and he/she joins again i go to spec and keep on watching him..

I said it earlier I will say it again because obviously you didn't read my post; you never have been good enough at CS to have idiots (and that includes ibis regulars) claiming you are hacking.

Personal attack?
James is better then I am, and even I have been called a hacker in WCS.. and I actually almost got banned (thanks to BS i didnt)

they accused me of aimbot and walls, until they realised it was me. ( I was under the name QQ, and after I won going like 26-3, next map I changed my name back because they went and got an admin to ban me LMAO)

i remember that.. i laughed my ass off.. very funny shit lol

I'd like to +1 this entire post, pretty much. I've been banned from probably 20+ servers in my CS career for hacking, and been accused in countless others - like I said before, I have doubts about what would happen to me if I weren't an admin.

I understand new admins not knowing how to handle their power - how can you expect them to know, if they've never been taught? On the other hand, the continued tolerance and lack of care from the leadership is disconcerting. What does it matter if we ban good players for no reason, if they can be unbanned in a couple months? No harm done, right? Wrong. It's harmful to the community in the extreme, and ultimately will lead to the good players leaving out of disgust, if not by being banned.

We need more checks against poor bans. There have been numerous suggestions, most of which are good. Supposedly there is even something in the works in the form of the seniority system, but that's a good while off I should think, seeing as ZERO has limited time and it is tied into a forum upgrade. We need a solution now. Stop hurting the community by turning a blind eye to admins making poor decisions.

+1

[Spasm]

You dont have to be good at CS just to spot a hacker.. I think I do a pretty good job on spotting a hacker and im definitely not a good CS player..

and I personally never ban a person unless im 110% on that he/she is hacking.. and IF i ban the person its only for MAX 2 days and then i make a "ban request" on the person and then you guys can deside if it needs to be a perma ban insted.. and if i dont ban the person and he/she joins again i go to spec and keep on watching him..



Personal attack?
James is better then I am, and even I have been called a hacker in WCS.. and I actually almost got banned (thanks to BS i didnt)



i remember that.. i laughed my ass off.. very funny shit lol




+1

I really thank you need to be pretty decent, some bans on wall hackers is really just lack of knowledge of radar, or lack of knowledge of knowing the map, lack of knowledge on sound.

It wasn't a personal attack, the reason why he sees things different because he has never been in our shoes, being accused of hacking when your not. It's funny at the time until you get banned, thats when it is no longer funny and it sucks.

I have used the id QQ over the past year or so randomly, the case where you was on was a different time, that was back before I had admin.

James I do appreciate you going and at least taking the time out of your day to look at the ban requests and bans and admin abuse and what ever else you do.

Hey NYS, don't hate. You need to come into pub and play. Been a while.

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I think u guys all make powerful points...but really thats y we have a community..we all have to just keep each other in check. Example: If u see somebody ban for stupid reasons y dont u take the time and tell them or suggest that it wasnt worth banning..like i was saying though ultimatly its just going to come down to us keeping one another on the right path..


P.s thats y we have the forums (we need the drama)

[Carina]

I really thank you need to be pretty decent, some bans on wall hackers is really just lack of knowledge of radar, or lack of knowledge of knowing the map, lack of knowledge on sound.

hmm if i understood that right.. you either just called me a decent player or in a way told me to stop looking for hackers because im not a good CS player so there is no way i can spot a hacker...?

and again.. you dont have to be a good/decent player to know about the radar, or knowing the map and the fact that you easily hear the sounds..
i use radar all the time, i know all the maps and i lissen to the sounds.. and once again i dont consider my self a good/decent player..

[Spasm]

hmm if i understood that right.. you either just called me a decent player or in a way told me to stop looking for hackers because im not a good CS player so there is no way i can spot a hacker...?

and again.. you dont have to be a good/decent player to know about the radar, or knowing the map and the fact that you easily hear the sounds..
i use radar all the time, i know all the maps and i lissen to the sounds.. and once again i dont consider my self a good/decent player..

Go watch some of those demos of "wall hackers" and everything that is "fishy or suspicious" can be attributed to one of those factors, and carina I think your decent at CS.