IBIS NOOB
Although I understand where your coming from with the leaving because of new gay members, my question to you is this. Since when was the military about your own personal feelings or how you felt individually? The military is supposed to be the protecters of this fine country, why shouldn't someone be allowed to defend it just because they enjoy something different from the "Norm"? The only thing that should matter is are you willing to defend the country you believe in.
IBIS G0D
It really isnt anyones business however if one is found to be gay, they get kicked out of the army, and that is really stupid.
It needs to be lifted
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IBIS G0D
Agreed.
That shit is stupid and is next to racism.
If gay people aren't allowed, then blacks or asians or mexicans shouldn't be either.
That’s the funny thing about trolls: They love to do something horrible, then accuse you of doing something horrible when you call them on it.
IBIS Master
If they're willing to die for their country- why SHOULDN'T they have the right to do whatever they would wish with their personal life? I've always been against the DADT policy that the military holds here in the USA. It's 100% discrimination against homosexuals and hearkens back to a time when non-white soldiers were kept to their own outfits within the army due to prejudice. Did those same soldiers not die for the very rights they weren't able to fully enjoy? America has always been racist, and discriminatory. Last week it was non-white, yesterday it was women, and today it's homosexuals. People need something to hate/be afraid of or they do stupid things like live their own lives rather than choosing to dictate to others what is acceptable.
Truly, it's deplorable that in this day and age such a thing still exists in a first-world country.
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IBIS G0D
it has nothing to do with a prejudice but has everything to do with the fact that if a gay person felt likle he wanted to join the military he understood his "loss" and gain at the same time JUST to do what was right. implying as a Homosexual person he was willing to give up his rights in the military as a gay person to protect and serve his country. what the rest of you dont understand who dont know anything other then what CNN tells you.. EVERYONE WHO JOINS THE MILITARY GIVES UP there rights in there contract, PART OF WHICH is vocally saying your gay. (why? not because of some prejudice but because of YOUR GOD DAMN TAX DOLLARS! ... do you want pay 5 dollars more just to make sure homosexual MALEs and FEMALEs have there one barrackes to sleep in because they can vocally announce that they are gay and think so and so in your unit is sexy????? FUCK NO!)
with the new law, (and im almost positive we will be having a mass turnout with recruits after this) would EVEN A HOMOSEXUAL VETERAN want another homosexual who is only joining because he can VOICE a GAY opinion now, in the military... that is the WRONG IDEA entirely. that isnt even the JIST of the issue the rest of the military has.. but looking at a libral point of view...i guess it is.
take some military history or ask a fucking veteran wht he thinks... THEN reply
i have nothing against gays.. personally.. but me being a soldier and knowing that others may be affected by this.. AFFECTS ME and MY performance when the OTHER component dosnt work because of its NEW enviorment.
IBIS G0D
WHY THE HELL SHOULD YOUR ENVIRONMENT CHANGE? They dont need separate barracks
All dont ask dont tell did was kick out a gay person when people found out the dude was gay.
Also I would pay 5 bucks more in taxes, we are one of the least taxed contries, and I dont see any good reason why.
IBIS Master
Because we're not a socialist state, but don't worry, Obama is on your side.
IBIS G0D
I actually am quite republican, however considering all the spending we have done between the stimulis and the 10 year war, the goverment needs to repay some of its debt, but this is not part of the dont ask dont tell discussionBecause we're not a socialist state, but don't worry, Obama is on your side.
IBIS Master
Oh I absolutely agree our government has fucked us over financially, and we'll almost certainly have to pay for it in tax raises. The reason we don't have high taxes currently is because we're not a socialist state; our massive debt is a recent issue (most of it). The Obama part was mainly a joke (though true enough).
As for DADT, in my opinion that rule is protecting the gays more than it's harming them. If suddenly everyone who is in the military now and is gay were exposed as being gay, I wonder how many of them would actually want to stay in. You think DADT is discrimination? Wait until you see the discrimination that will come from everyone knowing who's gay. I don't care how many policies you put into place to protect them, they will catch shit for being gay, and that is reality whether you like it or not.
Still, I suppose if they want to give gays the option to take a ton of shit for their sexuality, why not? I guess if they decided they needed separate barracks for some reason or another that's a perfectly fine reason not to, we certainly don't need to pile more money on to the national debt.
IBIS Master
Congress approved a military-defense spending budget of $1.121 trillion for this coming year (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf). I was never under the impression that the USA cuts its military budget so that a single demographic can be singled out and restrained. Also, I don't watch CNN. What I do watch are congressional reports, as well as the statistics coming out of the courts as DADT is passed along.
If soldiers are allowed to be openly "straight" in the military, then homosexuals should be allowed to be openly "gay" in the military. It's truly as simple as that. As of now, simply coming out of the closet as gay will get you a Court-martial. Since 1994, over 13,000 of our soldiers have been discharged from the military as a result of this. They joined to protect their country, and they were discharged because the country for which they were ready to die didn't like their sexual orientation. That sounds like discrimination to me.
On separate note, now that DADT has been repealed, I bet either Agnostic/Atheists or Illegal Immigrants will be the next groups to be discriminated against. I mean, it's not like Agnostics or Atheists already cannot run for office in eight states (AR, MD, MA, NC, PA, SC, TN & TX), or that people who responded on the day of the 9/11 attacks who weren't citizens are denied the health coverage offered to other first-responders.
Truly, I'm not even sure why I am forced to pay taxes to entities which force discrimination against specific demographics. In addition- who says the government will raise our taxes to make up for lack of discrimination when we've not raised taxes since the 90's, and have tacked on a global (let me repeat that for emphasis- GLOBAL) war on terror. What on earth is Terror? We declared war on an idea? What?
In any case- I digress: I feel as though the repeal of DADT was a good thing.
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