004 Night Elf [0] v1.0.9

[acolyte_to_jippity]

One other thing, about roots, you now have to get your target in a forward arc instead of just hitting anyone in the radius. Haven't seen root hit more than one person either.

I still don't follow this, when one of the main uses for this ability is countering speed. Why would a counter for the ability be what it is supposed to counter? But if this is what zero will, so be it. I REALLY don't get, flavour wise, why teleporting would NOT get away, and flight would.

A funny note: if vaga/spidey uses their ult while tangled, they keep the momentum when the tangle goes away

speed != flight.

speed is flame pre, undead, suc. hunter, spiderman...

flight is flight. bash is your best friend against flight, since bash (at least it use to) make them drop from the sky

[Blackmage]

As you seem willing to ignore and/or create your own facts, I shall concede the point.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

As you seem willing to ignore and/or create your own facts, I shall concede the point.

what exactly o you mean? vines was never a counter for flight races. they have ALWAYS been able to escape easily.

also, != means "not equal"

[Blackmage]

At least Stone was a counter for flight. As I had remembering them being the same except for range and duration, I assumed that Vines were the same.

Yes, I know what != means. The problem was, != is misleading at the best. While they are not the same sets, for Ibis at least, the flight set is COMPLETELY contained in the speed set. Speed may not be flight, but flight IS speed.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

At least Stone was a counter for flight. As I had remembering them being the same except for range and duration, I assumed that Vines were the same.

Yes, I know what != means. The problem was, != is misleading at the best. While they are not the same sets, for Ibis at least, the flight set is COMPLETELY contained in the speed set. Speed may not be flight, but flight IS speed.

no, stone still was avoidable if you ult. flew.

at least that's how i remember it

[ZERO]

I do not believe the flying races ever had any hard counters.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I do not believe the flying races ever had any hard counters.

bash and weblines (not the ult, the one that made you pause for a second)

they made flyers literally, drop from the sky. other than those two skills however, there wasn't anything.

[ZERO]

I am currently trying to have a new native added to wcs that will make it easy to update abilities like entangling roots to work on a radius instead of just within view. If all goes well expect an update in January.

[jonny5v]

I am currently trying to have a new native added to wcs that will make it easy to update abilities like entangling roots to work on a radius instead of just within view. If all goes well expect an update in January.

Would this mean multiple target possibilities? And also the root time needs to be reduced drastically. 10 seconds is an eternity

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Would this mean multiple target possibilities? And also the root time needs to be reduced drastically. 10 seconds is an eternity

it'll be just like before. 8-10 seconds, everyone in range