013 Spider Man [250] v1.1.1

[HypeRNT]

The reasons people respond as they do are twofold. First, many of the things you've mentioned have been said before, sometimes by many people. Second, we disagree with them. I will agree that some people's responses are... less than helpful, but for my part, I'm trying to show you WHY I disagree with them, or to try and get you to expound.

As such, let me see if I have this correct. The complaint is that Spiderman gets into position too fast so that other than other spidermen on most maps, vagabonds on some maps. You were trying to use getting into spawn as an example. You want the starting cooldown lengthened to compensate. This about sum it up?

Perfect, the races are NOT. Also, "as it is" isn't what we're arguing. What we're arguing is that we have some races coming that will change how the server plays. That we don't want to change something that will have another useful counter coming out. While it is taking longer than we hoped to have the server running back where it was before the Mac update, the meta that existed then and likely a slight variation of that, is what we're arguing.

First of all, all i do is run my mouth? your funny check my posts i have a huge total eh? that's one big mouth. Second, since blackmage has decided to actually post a response and not a random useless flame, il reply to him. Stated in your second paragraph "The complaint is that Spiderman gets into position too fast so that other than other spidermen on most maps, vagabonds on some maps." This is not a complaint, this is a mere observation which i then proceeded to give an educated answer which some people here seem to PMS if there is any negative feedback or suggestions to THEIR races/server.

You have not mentioned anything about any other races countering spiderman in any of your previous posts, and what im saying here is that there is no problem, i personally use this race pretty often or any time i need to catch up on kills. What i posted in my original post was that, it would be helpful if he had a cooldown much like many other races that take maybe 10 seconds after you are allowed to move before their ults are active. This would be a simple suggestion to a simple problem which is spiderman can get to bomb sites to quick(doll's as an example) or vega(westwood/aztec) before any of the other CT's could get to the bombsites to cover or to properly get rdy for such action.

Now this is just 1 small problem, but its also a small quick and easy fix/tweak or what ever you want to call that wont cause any tear's to some of the forum poster's. Thats all i said, im not sure were all this hate/flaming is coming from considering i have not said negative thing about a single person on the server or on the forums.

[maynard]

what part of we're not changing the races till we have re-released the rest of them don't you understand?

I could draw you a picture with crayons, would that help you comprehend that fact? we're not fucking with the races till we have the server back 2 where it originally was. once it is back 2 where it was, we will start doing minor tweaks on the races, and start implementing new races.

how many times do you need 2 be told the same thing before you get it, honestly?

[Blackmage]

First, learn to quote multiple things, or at least don't quote me then respond to maynard :P I thought I had said you were running your mouth

Second...

considering i have not said negative thing about a single person on the server or on the forums

people here seem to PMS

At times you are, at best, haughty, at worst, trollish. That, coupled with the reasons I gave in the other post, added to the fact that people on the forums are just like that, is why you see all the hate/flame. It's how we deal with people here

As for dealing with Spiderman, what would be your opinion of shortening some other race's ultis, such as human, beast and die xonvert, instead? Do you think this would help? Athena and Night elf? Just wondering what your opinion is on what the issue is. Because, don't forget, when you respawn, you have to wait for your ulti to CD again, which can be a reason for or against lengthening the time for his ulti.

Another thing, we will have a thread for things like this. Our old one: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...-Balance/page2

[HypeRNT]

First, learn to quote multiple things, or at least don't quote me then respond to maynard :P I thought I had said you were running your mouth

Second...





At times you are, at best, haughty, at worst, trollish. That, coupled with the reasons I gave in the other post, added to the fact that people on the forums are just like that, is why you see all the hate/flame. It's how we deal with people here

As for dealing with Spiderman, what would be your opinion of shortening some other race's ultis, such as human, beast and die xonvert, instead? Do you think this would help? Athena and Night elf? Just wondering what your opinion is on what the issue is. Because, don't forget, when you respawn, you have to wait for your ulti to CD again, which can be a reason for or against lengthening the time for his ulti.

Another thing, we will have a thread for things like this. Our old one: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...-Balance/page2

Well to old threads ive been told not to necro, which some1 told me it means don't post on old threads. Am i naughty? only when some1 is being an asshole to me will i ever attempt to be an ass back. I understand, you wont make any changes to any of these races until you get your server back to normal. With that said, did i ask for a change today? tomorrow? sometime soon? I don't think i did, i just thought it would be a good idea that's all.

I figured hey il post here some feedback ive been getting from playing in the server(with every race i have unlocked, which is all of them) and i thought it be a civilized topic seeing how some of these members are OWNERs of server/site you would think they would be able to communicate a little better without insults at the first chance they get.

As to shortening human? elf? ults? why? did some1 suggest that? they already have pretty short cool down, at least human does. Comparing those races and spiderman r 2 very different things. Just because you can die and get revived doesn't mean that's a reason to keep your ult short just so you can use it right away. I would assume that's why you have EVADE for exactly these times were you are in trouble and need to get out of a tight spot.

I think this is turning into a very heated convo which is not what i intended, and id rather move onto some other topic of conversation before it gets any more heated. Been great debate rather and i hope we can get some creative posts on some other topic sometime soon.

[Blackmage]

Er, for old threads, I was just showing how the feedback thread worked. That thread is locked, so you couldn't necro if you wanted to :P

The problem is you were asking for a change without having seen it with all of it's checks and balances. That's what we're trying to say. If that change is still relevant once everything is ready, THEN would be the time to make it. Yes, you're spitballing, which would be fine, but the problem is, we believe this problem will not be once everything is said and done.

As for the shortening, if you shortened those ones, they would be able to get to the places when spidey does. Athena and NE would be able to stall fast rushes or escapes more easily. Trying to see what part exactly you feel needs to be balanced more, and if there are alternative solutions.

[BladeTwinSwords]

There is currently an issue with Spiderman. Apparently some of the shots from any gun may trigger the web shooters freeze ability when it's not supposed to at all unless you hit them with the web.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

There is currently an issue with Spiderman. Apparently some of the shots from any gun may trigger the web shooters freeze ability when it's not supposed to at all unless you hit them with the web.

no....they've always had that as an on-hit ability. the ult effect was in addition.

[BladeTwinSwords]

no....they've always had that as an on-hit ability. the ult effect was in addition.

Web-shooters: 13-31% chance to entangle enemy in web

In web. Not with gun.

[Spasm]

no....they've always had that as an on-hit ability. the ult effect was in addition.

As far as I can remember this is true, despite what the description might say

[maynard]

As far as I can remember this is true, despite what the description might say

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