016 Vagabond [310] v1.1.8

[ZERO]

1.1.0

• Improved performance of hit based abilities

[Sword of Gideon]

I would like to see a 90% invisible vagabond instead of a 100% invisible one.

A good vagabond can go 20-0 or 44-4 fairly easily. It is undoubtably the most powerful race and therefore sticks out as better than the others.
There are defenses, but a smart vagabond quickly realizes that buying a necklace negates most of those.
It seems to be a game-balance issue. Reducing the the total invisibility would go a long way to making this a more balanced race.

[SCRIBBLE]

It is undoubtably the most powerful race and therefore sticks out as better than the others.
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It seems to be a game-balance issue. Reducing the the total invisibility would go a long way to making this a more balanced race.

It is a powerful race but ZERO has not completed the programming of the other races. The server will not be balanced until then. Vagabond is not the most powerful race (it's not even close), EVA takes that title. Wait this issue out because with the release of other races like Athena, vagabond will no longer be an issue. Apparently Zero has quite a large to do list so patience is key as there are a lot of important changes happening within the community. I also can attest that no one in the top 50 has an issue countering vagabonds. It's simply a matter of learning how to counter it and paying attention.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

It is a powerful race but ZERO has not completed the programming of the other races. The server will not be balanced until then. Vagabond is not the most powerful race (it's not even close), EVA takes that title. Wait this issue out because with the release of other races like Athena, vagabond will no longer be an issue. Apparently Zero has quite a large to do list so patience is key as there are a lot of important changes happening within the community. I also can attest that no one in the top 50 has an issue countering vagabonds. It's simply a matter of learning how to counter it and paying attention.

athena will need the buff of a lifetime to come close to vaga or spidey now. they are so hilariously op, even past the pre-ob levels.

[ZERO]

1.1.1

• Restricted from using cloak, ring, claw and helm

[Sword of Gideon]

It is a powerful race but ZERO has not completed the programming of the other races. The server will not be balanced until then. Vagabond is not the most powerful race (it's not even close), EVA takes that title. Wait this issue out because with the release of other races like Athena, vagabond will no longer be an issue. Apparently Zero has quite a large to do list so patience is key as there are a lot of important changes happening within the community. I also can attest that no one in the top 50 has an issue countering vagabonds. It's simply a matter of learning how to counter it and paying attention.

EVA isn't a race in our Warcraft server. Maybe it was before, or maybe you saw it somewhere else.
I've played Athena before, it's nothing near the vagabond.
I do realize that Zero is our coder and that he has been coding. But currently the Vagabond isn't just a game-changer race, it's the game-controlling race.
I don't buy that the top 50 people have no issues countering vagabonds.

Anyway, this is what we are facing in the server:
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From purely a business standpoint, you clearly want players playing in your server. This is how people become accostomed to the game, and some fall in love with it, and some go on to become paying admins. The more people that are playing, the better the chances for that type of outcome. So when you have a powerful vagabond like my example demo shows, then people leave. No race needs to be nerfed more than this one. It's a server-killer.

[maynard]

But currently the Vagabond isn't just a game-changer race, it's the game-controlling race.

lol.. hardly.... vega's are not hard 2 kill... and athena isn't supposed 2 be like vegabond, it's a counter for it.


also eva is the highest highest lvl race you can get on our server.

[Sword of Gideon]

Hmm... I don't see Eva as any race. The only one I don't have is Vagabond. I think I'm around Level 300.

If you watch the demo, if ANYONE were to watch the demo, it's clear that it is too powerful. And there's no question that players were leaving. In any business, people leaving is the last thing you want. I'll even go so far as to say that okay Vagabond isn't hard for *you*, but for the vast majority of players it's nearly impossible to deal with a vagabond in the hands of a good player.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Hmm... I don't see Eva as any race. The only one I don't have is Vagabond. I think I'm around Level 300.

If you watch the demo, if ANYONE were to watch the demo, it's clear that it is too powerful. And there's no question that players were leaving. In any business, people leaving is the last thing you want. I'll even go so far as to say that okay Vagabond isn't hard for *you*, but for the vast majority of players it's nearly impossible to deal with a vagabond in the hands of a good player.

the server is also not finished. all the balance changes you keep bringing up will be addressed once the server is back to an identical (or at least as close as zero can get it) to the pre-ob state. the only reason he adjusted scroll price was because you bitched so much it started to get on his nerves. remember: our wcs server is not finished, and the balance is going to be the final thing worked on, once all the races are out.

[maynard]

dude we've told you like a million times the server is not finished... we still have like 15 races that haven't been released yet...

and just cause you got 1 or 2 people who pwwn with vega don't mean all do, and they don't. there's 1 or 2 people that pwwn with literally any race. also once you play on the server for a bit you will learn 2 track vega's which is actually quite easy and if you have good reaction speeds, they are actually not hard 2 take out.