016 Vagabond [310] v1.1.8

[Sword of Gideon]

Hmm... I don't see Eva as any race. The only one I don't have is Vagabond. I think I'm around Level 300.

If you watch the demo, if ANYONE were to watch the demo, it's clear that it is too powerful. And there's no question that players were leaving. In any business, people leaving is the last thing you want. I'll even go so far as to say that okay Vagabond isn't hard for *you*, but for the vast majority of players it's nearly impossible to deal with a vagabond in the hands of a good player.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Hmm... I don't see Eva as any race. The only one I don't have is Vagabond. I think I'm around Level 300.

If you watch the demo, if ANYONE were to watch the demo, it's clear that it is too powerful. And there's no question that players were leaving. In any business, people leaving is the last thing you want. I'll even go so far as to say that okay Vagabond isn't hard for *you*, but for the vast majority of players it's nearly impossible to deal with a vagabond in the hands of a good player.

the server is also not finished. all the balance changes you keep bringing up will be addressed once the server is back to an identical (or at least as close as zero can get it) to the pre-ob state. the only reason he adjusted scroll price was because you bitched so much it started to get on his nerves. remember: our wcs server is not finished, and the balance is going to be the final thing worked on, once all the races are out.

[maynard]

dude we've told you like a million times the server is not finished... we still have like 15 races that haven't been released yet...

and just cause you got 1 or 2 people who pwwn with vega don't mean all do, and they don't. there's 1 or 2 people that pwwn with literally any race. also once you play on the server for a bit you will learn 2 track vega's which is actually quite easy and if you have good reaction speeds, they are actually not hard 2 take out.

[Wolfenstinger]

If you watch the demo, if ANYONE were to watch the demo, it's clear that it is too powerful. And there's no question that players were leaving.

I actually took the time to watch a random portion of the demo around 25k tick mark. Ronnie goes 9 - 0. Issue here at 25k tick mark, well... there was many. The main one was that nobody defended the defuser as he defused. By defending, i mean spraying the loving hell outta him since Ronnie decided to try knifing (terribly by the way).

Vaga's aren't OP at all. Though, this is coming from the guy that played the hell outta Vagalion before and after maxing all races...
We just have to work with what we have at the moment. Once Vagalion comes out - I do intend to play it for a long long while, as long as the rest of my races are maxed before it comes out

[Spasm]

ZERO, why in the fuck did you nerf vaga, jesus christ. Are you really going to let 1 or 2 people whining make you nerf the shit out of it. The scroll cost is a direct nerf to vaga, okay w/e, but the item restrictions is just stupid. We never had any problems on the old server, now all of the sudden, cuz a few people that suck at wcs can't kill someone you nerf the race. /end rant

P.S. Stop catering to sword of gideon, this guy has been around how long??? What level is he... 300??? He's too inexperienced to be dictating how this server runs, and judging from his complaining, is where these changes are coming from.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

P.S. Stop catering to sword of gideon, this guy has been around how long??? What level is he... 300??? He's too inexperienced to be dictating how this server runs, and judging from his complaining, is where these changes are coming from.

this. don't fuck with the balance until the server is back to being identical to pre-ob. then tweak it.

[ZERO]

The removal of some items from this race was something that was coming regardless. As for the respawn, I am likely going to lower the cost a bit in a few days.

[maynard]

5-6 k would be a more legit price. this way it's expensive, but not 2 the point where the item is pointless. respawn scroll has always been a part of WCS, as it did need a price bump, I don't think we should bump it 2 the point of being an item no 1 will ever purchase.

[Tickle Me Emo]

5-6 k would be a more legit price. this way it's expensive, but not 2 the point where the item is pointless. respawn scroll has always been a part of WCS, as it did need a price bump, I don't think we should bump it 2 the point of being an item no 1 will ever purchase.

I agree, 3k was too little for such a (potentially) powerful item, but 9k is serious overcompensation.

As for item removal... sure, whatever, I never used those items on vaga anyways.

[Spasm]

The removal of some items from this race was something that was coming regardless. As for the respawn, I am likely going to lower the cost a bit in a few days.

Why? I am really curious. Many other races could use this restriction if your worried about it being overpowered. For example: Human, Molecule, Spider-Man, I'd argue that Raiden and Crypt Lord could be on that list as well. In fact, the vaga is usually brought down by someone trapping them with a necklace, not really getting shot. At least a good vaga.

On a different note, I'd argue that the combination of health, helm and lace makes any race almost unkillable and that helm should be removed or counted as a damage reduction. not as full blown head shot immunity.

The helm helps races with more hp then any of the others. Succubus with health and max skulls, sits at 250 hp after ultimate is used, add that up with a helm and you have a race that has 250hp and complete immunity to headshots. Your looking at several, SEVERAL shots to take out this person.