^^ This, also, it's more like 10k because I like to buy a ring, health, and a lace.Originally Posted by maynard
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^^ This, also, it's more like 10k because I like to buy a ring, health, and a lace.
Tastes like your moms kisses.
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What i dont get is why this race is limited to a shotty and pistols... Its not overpowered in anyway and the birdie skill is very rare. It should be able to use any guns to make it more playable and so it could compete with all the other races that can use all the guns.
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It is because, generally, races that spawn with weapons are restricted to just that weapon. It's bird also happens a lot, people just often don't notice, as they die as collateral damage or the other team is getting stomped anyway.
I've never really considered this race weak, due to bird being fairly powerful, up in smoke leading to some silly things, levitation ruining days, disappearing dash... saving you once and a while I guess, and having a free real weapon upon spawn. Not as useful in mid game, but it has some niche uses. My take on it, is that this is not an "up front" class. You stay back, sniping with the shotgun, causing mayhem, or running in corridors with a shotgun.
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lol no it's not... if you have maybe 1 point in that skill sure...
do you honestly ever have a clue as 2 what you're talking about?
Maynard - The WCS Guy
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Ur right why even post, clearly you know it all, and the birdy is hard to get, sometimes you get lucky and it pops up pretty often in a map, but its not like its an amazing skill considering you need money for items and in most cases due to items costing alot of money it is difficult to get it.
Bird aside, what is your arguement here? because i said bird is hard to get i am clueless? i play more then you, frag more then you, and ive been playing FPS game's for many many years now, including PRO leagues vs some of the best team's in the world in various different FPS games., can you say the same?
My last comment aside, i agree with blackmage for most of your post, but i still think you should be able to use any gun because none of his skills are overpowerd in anyway. His ult has a long cooldown and you kind of need your team to be winning to make a good use of it so you could leave your spwn. The other skills are also pretty decent but nothing that would suggest using a shotty and a pistol.. But what do i know, clearly nothing.
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agreed. Go away, your constant ignorance and QQ'ing is very annoying. not all races are supposed 2 be even, there's mediocre ones, far less than mediocre ones, good ones and epic ones. they all mesh together in the grand scheme of things. and cause you're some new kid on my server, you don't even have a fucking clue what the grand scheme of things is cause you haven't even played all the races or seen how the server is intended 2 work. granted we need 2 get the rest of the races out and that is being worked on, but you honestly have no clue as 2 wtf you're going on about.
crow isn't supposed 2 proc every time. it's set up the way it is for a reason, and we will also have more classes coming out down the line that are specific 2 using only 1 gun, like a deagle race and other various ones. Not every race is supposed 2 be as good as the other. now quit pretending you know everything.
and unless you've been gaming since the commodore 64 days, I don't care about the short time you've invested into the gaming world, as I'm sure the time you have is about as significant as the time you've put into WCS IBIS.
I also know you've been informed of this before, but I will tell you 1 last time.... we're not making any changes 2 the races till we have re-released all of them again and got them back 2 where we originally were.
Last edited by maynard; 01-16-2012 at 06:11 PM.
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Bird topic: It's not supposed to be common, as it IS powerful, and doesn't need any items to be awesome. You may need a lace if there is a damager going around, but these people need cloak and health are just making stronger. All depends on the map, the enemies, and the players. However, given it only pops up every 3 rounds or so, and you don't need to really buy items in un-crow form, normally you'll have money. Again, it depends on how you play it.
For the last paragraph of your post. Actually, you don't need your team to be winning. One strategy I have, such as on nipperhouse, is to pick a mobile race, such as beast. Get into a good position, such as the basement. Next round, switch to magician, hide in your base. Ult out, wreck chaos from behind and below. Or if you have the bomb, surprise plant. All you need to do is die in a good place, enemy base if they camp, bomb site, tight corridor. Or just a position where you can get them chasing you and pop up right behind them.
Shotgun + abilities. First, one is an ontakedamage, one is an ondeath, so it doesn't matter for those two. One is an on damage, so shotgun works GREAT with levitation. Any ability that triggers on hitting your opponent + shotgun means much higher proc range than what is shown. The Ultimate works decently with the shotgun, since you don't know if there are enemies nearby, but also restricts you from using it while spraying. Would this be OP? Nope. Does it require better gameplay by the Magician? Yup. Then there's also the fact that spawning with a weapon strengthens a class for a few rounds, makes the race stronger when you are losing, so you don't have to buy a weapon/ankh each round and can buy items, or save money for a better class. Would you gain some from having any weapon? Yup. Would you lose some power? That too.
For the clueless, I'm going guess what his reasoning is, leaving out some of the more opinion based reasons. 1. Your comment on my not having played this server/race ect. 2. Not reading/knowing how warden's ability worked, assuming it dealt too little damage. Not sure why you thought it was 3 and not 5. 3. In your spiderman post, not being clear, and sounding like you're using an old tired excuse that we disagree with. 4. Wanting to remove things because you can't use them effectively. 5. Generally making posts without checking if similar things had been said.
Much of this comes down to not knowing the history of the server, and making assumptions based upon other servers. One of these you are solving by making the posts you are making. Probably could have done a little searching to find things out as well. The other comes down to us being unique. We don't have hundreds of races, the disparity in strength of the races isn't that huge, and most where it seems to be is because they are niche races. Our leveling system is different, and some races act differently than on other servers.
Someone really should make a "this is our server's history" post sometime...
For credentials, born in '87, Started computer/board/card gaming in '89, FPS in '93, game testing in '97, programming in 98/99, the number and range of games I've played is large. Not sure when I started playing CS anymore, started playing warcraft mods about a year before CS:S was released. I've also always held "pro" gamers in most games in contempt, as many of them are niche players who need certain rules in place to win, and many can be beaten by unexpected "bad" strategies.
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Testing indicates that this CAN'T get the spectator glitch, as the crow ability gave the text notice, but did not revive. Revives self with The Crow.
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1.0.7
- Changed order of operations for weapon restrections to reduce crashes
- Updated code of wepon removal
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Need some clarification by ZERO or Maynard...
Is the bird supposed to be able to buy ring cloak or health?
If so... is cloak turning the bird completely invisible working as intended?
I ask these questions because what once was a gimmick used rarely is becoming really common. Your now seeing terrible players playing the race on the losing side going this race just so they can buy those items and be almost impossible to kill. Say they die early and buy all those items, your looking at a bird that is completely invisible, extremely small hit box, flies, and has 150 hp and regens it.
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