(Insert Steam ID here) Germans -- Wall Hacking

[&&toasties]

Name: Germans
Steam ID: I forgot sb_status...But Aco got it in his demo.
Hacks: Wall Hacks
Ban Time: Perma

I was unsure about this, and still maybe kind of am, but numerous players messaged me about him, and many noted it in game.

I have two demos, and Aco got one.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NT2XCNIA

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5QJZ4JZ9

[acolyte_to_jippity]

here's my demo. probably same footage as autumn, but i put sb_status in there early on.

[Naka]

Good god, I had a long-winded post written in the case that I was banned without proof or notice.

Name in Game: Counter Strike Source 208.43.70.233:27015
Steam-ID:
Who banned you: Autumn | ibis.a
When: 12:54am
Where: 208.43.70.233:27015
Why banned:
From my sources, Autumn believes I was wallhacking.
Other/Reason to unban:

I honestly don't care if I'm unbanned or not, this has been my first few games in a long while and I have shit to do these days.
I can say with 100% certainty that I was not wallhacking, and I STRONGLY urge any experienced player to take a look at the demos, especially Autumn. Hopefully Autumn and you other hack-accusers can learn from demos of better players (not necessarily me) and realize the difference between hackers and those who don't hack. I hope this serves as an example to decrease bias and unfair bans.

If you two are both admins, maybe your abilities should be called into question, depending on the outcome.

Edit: watched my demo as posted by acolyte, I can see the part where you must have thought I was hacking. As I came up the ladder, you should be able to see that I saw the enemy player amongst the boxes, and that's when I also jumped and attempt to shoot him over the box. After that, there was only one or two places he could have appeared from, and that's where I moved my mouse towards.
I guess I shouldn't have expected many of you to realize that. If anyone has more scenes in which you think I hack, let me know, I'll explain them when I have time.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Good god, I had a long-winded post written in the case that I was banned without proof or notice.

Name in Game: Counter Strike Source 208.43.70.233:27015
Steam-ID:
Who banned you: Autumn | ibis.a
When: 12:54am
Where: 208.43.70.233:27015
Why banned:
From my sources, Autumn believes I was wallhacking.
Other/Reason to unban:

I honestly don't care if I'm unbanned or not, this has been my first few games in a long while and I have shit to do these days.
I can say with 100% certainty that I was not wallhacking, and I STRONGLY urge any experienced player to take a look at the demos, especially Autumn. Hopefully Autumn and you other hack-accusers can learn from demos of better players (not necessarily me) and realize the difference between hackers and those who don't hack. I hope this serves as an example to decrease bias and unfair bans.

If you two are both admins, maybe your abilities should be called into question, depending on the outcome.

Edit: watched my demo as posted by acolyte, I can see the part where you must have thought I was hacking. As I came up the ladder, you should be able to see that I saw the enemy player amongst the boxes, and that's when I also jumped and attempt to shoot him over the box. After that, there was only one or two places he could have appeared from, and that's where I moved my mouse towards.
I guess I shouldn't have expected many of you to realize that. If anyone has more scenes in which you think I hack, let me know, I'll explain them when I have time.

it was mostly your odd tendency to wait in a corner of some boxes, looking AT the boxes an sit there for a few seconds, before moving again and jumping out to kill people.
seemed extremely fishy. most normal players wouldn't look straight at what amounts to blank walls while leaving your back completely expose, unless they can tell who is where.

might be radar hacks now that i think of it.

[Naka]

Thanks for replying.

Take a look at the corners again, do you see Mafia in the same corner I'm in every time? That's because I was following him, he was on knife level and i felt like stealing his kills, we're on good terms and I felt like messing with him a bit

I was not staring into walls, I was mostly trying to get him to notice me. I can't see how looking into damn walls would help a wallhacker regardless, if I had wallhacks, I wouldn't need to move my character into a wall to see past it. If I had shitty wallhacks (There are material ones. No, I don't use them, and anyone who'se played CS:S for more than 2 years knows about them) that have limited visibility, even then looking into the box would be to NO advantage, or at least I wouldn't think so.
When it comes to shitty wallhacks (or at least the mostly commonly available material ones) material wallhacks rely on the way the map is compiled. From what I've gathered, there are VIS maps created automatically (edit them manually as a mapper) that prevent a player from rendering models/walls that aren't within view. This is to increase FPS. If I was staring into that box with these type of wallhacks, I wouldn't have been able to see past it due to the way the map was created.
Now, if I didn't have that type of wallhacks, staring into the wall is something I wouldn't need to do regardless. Now that I've made it obvious that I've been playing CS:S for quite some time, I think we can both agree that I wouldn't blatantly stare into walls if I was wallhacking.

Off to sleep, I'll answer replies tomorrow.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I can't see how looking into damn walls would help a wallhacker regardless,

yet, how does it help a non-wallhacking player?

[&&toasties]

Good god, I had a long-winded post written in the case that I was banned without proof or notice.

I honestly don't care if I'm unbanned or not

So you admit to your hacking and knew I was onto you, so you already wrote a letter claiming you aren't? People who don't hack don't prepare themselves to be called hackers and are ready to defend themselves.

Then good, you and your hacks will stay banned.

[Naka]

yet, how does it help a non-wallhacking player?

.. I see you didn't get the main point to my post, I was following Mafia who was on knife level, and was hiding in the corners to wait for someone to knife. Reread my post, I don't want to revisit this "looking into walls" thing again. As I already tried to say, it's not a good argument in the first place.

So you admit to your hacking and knew I was onto you, so you already wrote a letter claiming you aren't? People who don't hack don't prepare themselves to be called hackers and are ready to defend themselves.

Then good, you and your hacks will stay banned.

No. I wrote up an unban request after I was banned from the server. I was prepared to post it, and then someone sent me the URL to this topic through steam.

No, I didn't have a response formulated before being banned, but if you're wondering, yes I knew some jerkoffs were "on to me", someone in chat said he was going to spectate me, and you were in spectator also watching me, which was apparent from your voice chat. I played as I always would have played CS:S, without hacks, I shouldn't have trusted your judgment, maybe I should have acted like a shit player instead.
Even if I did had a response made up before being banned, there's no way you could make the conclusion that I'm hacking.

I also see you quoted my "I honestly don't care if I'm unbanned or not". That's true, I don't play CS:S much anymore, this is more for your benefit, though I can see now that the outcome is looking grim.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

you didn't really explain the looking into the walls at all. you're just brushing it off. the fact is, looking into the walls would only hurt a normal player, but not a wallhacker.

[Naka]

you didn't really explain the looking into the walls at all. you're just brushing it off. the fact is, looking into the walls would only hurt a normal player, but not a wallhacker.

How is this brushing it off?

.. I see you didn't get the main point to my post, I was following Mafia who was on knife level, and was hiding in the corners to wait for someone to knife. Reread my post, I don't want to revisit this "looking into walls" thing again. As I already tried to say, it's not a good argument in the first place.

Not to mention the lengthy post I made earlier.

I explained that I was following mafia twice now.
Why?
He was on knife level,
I was following him
He was the one who went into corners
I was the one who followed him into the corners and
I was concentrating on his player

I even explained how it WOULD NOT benefit any common wallhacker,
or even a real vac-bannable wallhacker to be THAT BLATANT
I'm pretty sure I made it obvious that I'm not new enough to the game to stare into walls if I was hacking.

Are the scenes in your demo the ones we're talking about here? I feel like we're thinking of completely different things, because this is just nuts.


You shouldn't ban willy nilly if you think someone's wallhacking, It's VERY HARD to prove a good player has wallhacks, almost impossible, when it comes to skilled players, their reaction time is so small that it's nearly impossible to detect the difference between flinch-aim based on legit reaction and flinch-aim based on their knowledge as a wallhacker. This is common knowledge amongst competitive players. You can catch a wallhacker, but that's only if they're following people with their mouse through walls. You simply spectated for "hacks" long enough that situations eventually arise that look close enough to hacks.

I sent you a friends request (if you're ingame name is priest) I think it would be easier to discuss the demo on steam chat.
p.s. edit the title, my steam ID is STEAM_0:0:10940846