NessLookAlike Come on down

[Bubbles]

I'm not so sure if this would qualify as abuse or not, but either way I would like my case heard.

Today being Saturday 4:11 PM Eastern time, when I am posting this.

NessLookAlike for the past few hours has been online on the zombie mod server, for what seems like every 5 minutes, he makes a map vote and by map vote I mean he chooses a map and then makes a yes or no vote. ( Need less to say if your on a bad map, and then a mapvote is made of course people will say yes just to get off the one they are on) And he did this several times, at one point I made comments about one map being bad, then ness had something smart to say back. I replied whatever you say ness, you have wonderful taste. Then after being on said map for about 2 rounds, he makes another map vote. As soon as that vote is accepted and we go to the next map( which again was terrible seems like a trend he was doing on purpose) I say " Oh look another shitty map brought to you by ness"

He then proceeded to mute me for 5 minutes, going on about how I was disrespectful which I suppose I can see that I was a bit.

My real complaint in all of this is the constant making map votes after 2 rounds, and he isn't even making real map votes. He is choosing whatever map he see fits and makes a yes or no vote. It was not as if he made a list of maps to choose from which we could pick. It was simply, ok were on a shitty map, lets go to another one and repeat said action.

Now I know everyone who chimes in on this is going to say " If you don't like the map then rock the vote", which in turn is another complaint. I have never not once since I have played on this server had a map vote started by getting enough people to RTV. The ratio of how many players to how many rtv's needed is no where even close, it seems like you need just about everyone to do it.

And while Im at it, while I was muted the admin " Rob " came online while I was muted and ness mentioned something about me being shitty and rob kept going on and on in a shitty tone and attitude towards me when he was not even there. Im curious, what type of screening does an admin applicant have to go through? It seems as if anyone who pays is getting admin.

I'm sure ness and all his other buddy admins are going to come in and back him up and talk shit on me, but either way I don't care. I've said what I needed to say, this bullshit needs to stop and I think Zero himself needs to be more active with the zombie mod server to see the things that go on.

[Rob]

Well first of all, i have been admin for a long time, And the only point i was making was that if you're being a dick to an admin or disrespectful, you deserve the mute. So.
And yes, I have an attitude. Get used to it.

Edit:

What i do agree on though, is that when you're making a mapvote for a new map, because the current one is shitty. at least let the server vote between GOOD maps. so that when you DO go to a new map, noone can bitch at you for shit.
Then when you get on the new map, and people DO start bitching, you say "Well, you voted for this, so play the game and quit crying"
It's not like one person can make the map change just because they think its shitty.

[NLA]

Hi Bubbles, great to see you chose to come and lodge a formal complaint, so lets get down to business.

NessLookAlike for the past few hours has been online on the zombie mod server, for what seems like every 5 minutes, he makes a map vote and by map vote I mean he chooses a map and then makes a yes or no vote. ( Need less to say if your on a bad map, and then a mapvote is made of course people will say yes just to get off the one they are on)

I don't recall things in the server going down like this. I recall playing maps for almost the entire length that they're normally alotted, then throwing up some votes with maps that I randomly picked from the maplist. Mostly RANDOMLY. They weren't my favorite maps, otherwise they'd be PARANOID DEATHSTAR MOUNTDOOM HELMSDEEP TITANIC TUROKBASE and NINJA every single time, in that order. Also, "what seems like 5 minutes" can easily be the regular amount of time we were on the map, which is only like 20 minutes anyway, especially when you're not paying attention and having fun or tagging others or raging over bad maps.

And he did this several times, at one point I made comments about one map being bad, then ness had something smart to say back. I replied whatever you say ness, you have wonderful taste. Then after being on said map for about 2 rounds, he makes another map vote. As soon as that vote is accepted and we go to the next map( which again was terrible seems like a trend he was doing on purpose) I say " Oh look another shitty map brought to you by ness"

So basically you admit to be disrespectful to an admin for multiple rounds. Duly noted.

He then proceeded to mute me for 5 minutes, going on about how I was disrespectful which I suppose I can see that I was a bit.

/thread?

My real complaint in all of this is the constant making map votes after 2 rounds, and he isn't even making real map votes.

Keen eye! Good for you. What you were seeing was me making a votequestion with a list of maps I'd randomly picked, so that Extend was not an option. You wouldn't believe how mad everyone gets when Extend wins sometimes. Also, I don't make votes every couple of rounds -- what you were noticing were probably just question votes, ie. "Wasn't Walter the best admin ever? Spam Yes No" that you weren't paying attention to, which made them seem like mapvotes to you.

He is choosing whatever map he see fits and makes a yes or no vote.

Believe it or not, thats how it works!

It was not as if he made a list of maps to choose from which we could pick. It was simply, ok were on a shitty map, lets go to another one and repeat said action.

But I did make a list of maps you could choose from! And every time that a map was chosen, I set the next map to that one, I didn't do something like OH YOU GUYS VOTED ZM_GRID BUT EH I LIKE PARANOID BETTER WE'RE GOING THERE, now did I? I'll answer that for you: no I didn't, because I never do that, even if other admins berrate me for it sometimes.

Now I know everyone who chimes in on this is going to say " If you don't like the map then rock the vote", which in turn is another complaint. I have never not once since I have played on this server had a map vote started by getting enough people to RTV. The ratio of how many players to how many rtv's needed is no where even close, it seems like you need just about everyone to do it.

Easy now, don't reveal your age, young man. If you haven't seen it happen, you're a noob that hasn't been on the server long -- it definitely does, on a regular basis.

And while Im at it, while I was muted the admin " Rob " came online while I was muted and ness mentioned something about me being shitty and rob kept going on and on in a shitty tone and attitude towards me when he was not even there.

Actually the way it worked was that:
- You were disrespectful, which you admitted above
- I muted you for 5 mins -- not kick, not ban, not drug/blind/burn, but a 5 min kick
- Rob asked me why I muted you
- I told Rob it was because you were being disrespectful -- which you admitted
- Rob said "oh ok"
- You friended him to complain to him about why a 5 minute mute for disrespect wasn't fair
- He asked why you were muted and why you were trying to friend him
- He asked me for an example of you being offensive
- I gave an example
- </end>

I don't recall Rob going "on and on" about you, but maybe I've just forgotten? Anyway, this isn't about Rob, this is about me isn't it?

Also, don't forget that after your 5 minute mute expired you came back and wrote in chat "aww Ness did I hit a nerve?", keeping the disrespect train going. Could've kicked you, but eh. I'm a patient man.

Im curious, what type of screening does an admin applicant have to go through? It seems as if anyone who pays is getting admin.

No comment.

I'm sure ness and all his other buddy admins are going to come in and back him up and talk shit on me, but either way I don't care. I've said what I needed to say, this bullshit needs to stop and I think Zero himself needs to be more active with the zombie mod server to see the things that go on.

Nope, just gonna come in and ask umad? and point out the inconsistences of your sorrid tale. What needs to stop is players thinking they can blatantly disrespect admins and get away with it. Muting you for 5 minutes was, I thought, a step in that general direction. In terms of things I think ZERO should do, I think ZERO should:

• upgrade to a better server configuration (more resources, faster CPU!) and
• add more maps,

but otherwise not all that much. Fun discussion, Bubbles. Try being more respectful next time -- other admins aren't as patient as I am with players.

Let's see, what else. ... Oh hi, Rob!

What i do agree on though, is that when you're making a mapvote for a new map, because the current one is shitty. at least let the server vote between GOOD maps. so that when you DO go to a new map, noone can bitch at you for shit.
Then when you get on the new map, and people DO start bitching, you say "Well, you voted for this, so play the game and quit crying"
It's not like one person can make the map change just because they think its shitty.

Actually what I say is "You guys voted for the map and we just got here, so we're not leaving for another couple rounds." and "If you don't like the map, just RTV." Also Rob, just because you don't like a map doesn't mean someone (read: the majority that voted for the map) doesn't. The votes I were throwing up were ones that I had picked randomly from the list.

umad Rob?

But anyways, /thread?

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

an admin shouldnt make constant map votes. MAYBE, changing a map off a new map admins should know which ones are bad and not. i would consider it abuse if their changing to bad maps purposly, or constantly changing cuz their trying to anoy people, or if their mad and want to mak others mad.

[Rapedollar$]

honestly, the senior admin can change the map to whatever he/she wants whenever he/she wants......

[mcilwain]

Hell i never knew that so does this mean i can buy admin and stop the retardation and shitty maps on zm?

[Rob]

Actually what I say is "You guys voted for the map and we just got here, so we're not leaving for another couple rounds." and "If you don't like the map, just RTV." Also Rob, just because you don't like a map doesn't mean someone (read: the majority that voted for the map) doesn't. The votes I were throwing up were ones that I had picked randomly from the list.

umad Rob?

But anyways, /thread?

I wasn't saying that if one person doesn't like the map, the majority of the server doesn't either.. that was my point. just because one person likes the map doesnt mean you have to go put up votes etc.
REEEAD You soppy bollocks.
i said exactly what you said. lol.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Senior admin can change the map however many times he wants as long as it is not excessive. The problem I have is that while there is Player to Admin respect, I don't see much Admin to Player respect.

[Bubbles]

Hi Bubbles, great to see you chose to come and lodge a formal complaint, so lets get down to business.



I don't recall things in the server going down like this. I recall playing maps for almost the entire length that they're normally alotted, then throwing up some votes with maps that I randomly picked from the maplist. Mostly RANDOMLY. They weren't my favorite maps, otherwise they'd be PARANOID DEATHSTAR MOUNTDOOM HELMSDEEP TITANIC TUROKBASE and NINJA every single time, in that order. Also, "what seems like 5 minutes" can easily be the regular amount of time we were on the map, which is only like 20 minutes anyway, especially when you're not paying attention and having fun or tagging others or raging over bad maps.

I'm sure you don't recall things going down like that, I mean yeah I file a complaint and the said person denies it? Thats just unheard of.



So basically you admit to be disrespectful to an admin for multiple rounds. Duly noted.

Could I have went about it in a better fashion? I'm sure, just as I'm sure you could of done a better job of doing what your supposed to be doing.



/thread?



Keen eye! Good for you. What you were seeing was me making a votequestion with a list of maps I'd randomly picked, so that Extend was not an option. You wouldn't believe how mad everyone gets when Extend wins sometimes. Also, I don't make votes every couple of rounds -- what you were noticing were probably just question votes, ie. "Wasn't Walter the best admin ever? Spam Yes No" that you weren't paying attention to, which made them seem like mapvotes to you.

That is a lie, you did not make any vote that had a list of maps, but merely " yes or no for this map" sort of votes. I played attention plenty, thanks for your input.




Believe it or not, thats how it works!

How it works? As I've stated before, I have quite a few admins of the server on my friends list who I consider to do a much better job then you and they don't feel the need to make " yes or no" votes 24/7, most of them will make a list of map to choose from which you did not do, yet claim to have done. ( Denial again? Oh wait of course your being accused)



But I did make a list of maps you could choose from! And every time that a map was chosen, I set the next map to that one, I didn't do something like OH YOU GUYS VOTED ZM_GRID BUT EH I LIKE PARANOID BETTER WE'RE GOING THERE, now did I? I'll answer that for you: no I didn't, because I never do that, even if other admins berrate me for it sometimes.

Sell that bullshit else where, you did no such thing. If only I cared to learn how to demo properly. I think I'll look into that, nothing like having proof for all to see.



Easy now, don't reveal your age, young man. If you haven't seen it happen, you're a noob that hasn't been on the server long -- it definitely does, on a regular basis.

I'm a noob who hasn't been on the server long? Funny, I don't give a good shit about rank but I am in the top 50 of the list, and have a kdr of 2 + , but that is normal for a noob who doesn't play this server a lot and this clearly does NOT happen a lot. I never said that it doesn't happen or won't ever happen, but it never has when I've been online.




Actually the way it worked was that:
- You were disrespectful, which you admitted above
- I muted you for 5 mins -- not kick, not ban, not drug/blind/burn, but a 5 min kick
- Rob asked me why I muted you
- I told Rob it was because you were being disrespectful -- which you admitted
- Rob said "oh ok"
- You friended him to complain to him about why a 5 minute mute for disrespect wasn't fair
- He asked why you were muted and why you were trying to friend him
- He asked me for an example of you being offensive
- I gave an example
- </end>

Oh yes lets go on about this, Disrespectful, I'd have to say that is vague at best. I didn't tell you to go fuck a tree or call you a dumbass of any nature. Did I disagree with you? yes. Was I sarcastic with you? Yes. However, I never even used a curse word apart from shitty which I only ever used to describe the maps. Which it was not just me, I can't even count how many others were bitching about it through their mics and text. Rob did ask why you muted me, and of course you made it sound worse then it actually was, and in turn while I was muted he decided to go on about how you cant be disrespectful to admins and more or less berate a otherwise mute person at the time who could not defend himself. Rob asked what was said, I added him to tell him what ACTUALLY happened. Not to whine or complain.

Sorrid, describes yourself much more then it describes me. There are no inconsistencies on my part, only on yours. And you've already talked about how you don't remember or forgotten what Rob had said, what else have you forgotten or coincidentaly don't remember? Seems like there are more inconsistencies on your part. Yes I did say " aww Ness did I strike a nerve?" What that phrase insulting? Did it have any bad language? I'm failing to see what you consider to be disrespect. You muted me for 5 minutes because you did not feel like hearing me bitch about all your " map votes" which again I WAS NOT the only person complaining about it, but I was the one calling you out specifcaly about it.
I don't recall Rob going "on and on" about you, but maybe I've just forgotten? Anyway, this isn't about Rob, this is about me isn't it?

Also, don't forget that after your 5 minute mute expired you came back and wrote in chat "aww Ness did I hit a nerve?", keeping the disrespect train going. Could've kicked you, but eh. I'm a patient man.

Yes you could of kicked me and abused more and more. I INVITE Zero to come to that server more and watch from the shadows to see the true nature of your bullshit.



No comment.



Nope, just gonna come in and ask umad? and point out the inconsistences of your sorrid tale. What needs to stop is players thinking they can blatantly disrespect admins and get away with it. Muting you for 5 minutes was, I thought, a step in that general direction. In terms of things I think ZERO should do, I think ZERO should:

• upgrade to a better server configuration (more resources, faster CPU!) and
• add more maps,

but otherwise not all that much. Fun discussion, Bubbles. Try being more respectful next time -- other admins aren't as patient as I am with players.

Let's see, what else. ... Oh hi, Rob!



Actually what I say is "You guys voted for the map and we just got here, so we're not leaving for another couple rounds." and "If you don't like the map, just RTV." Also Rob, just because you don't like a map doesn't mean someone (read: the majority that voted for the map) doesn't. The votes I were throwing up were ones that I had picked randomly from the list.

umad Rob?

But anyways, /thread?

Have a nice day there buddy, it's only a matter of time before others come out of the wood work.