Building a computer.

[ZERO]

My point was that he could just by that chip in the future at greatly reduced cost.
He could even buy a used one and or sell his one off used too. People sell used parts like that all the time on the extreme systems forums.

[Steamer]

Single 12v Rail FTW!

NEVER skimp on the PSU.

I currently use this one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139005
Run's sooo smooth. No dipping, No spiking at extreme stress. One of the best PSU's I have ever bought. Corsair has made themselves a new customer as far as PSU's go.

Zero's case recomendation, +1. Long life and very durable, Lian Li make very quality cases.

I currently STILL use my Antec P182. Nice sleek quality box. Amazing. The thing is a tank though, Do not recomend if you are going to tote it around.

[StarsMine]

Steamer, if the PSU is made well it does not matter if its a single rail or 6. It will provide power to your parts without problems.

I also never said skimp on the PSU, however spending 200 bucks on one for a <400W system is beyond stupid.

Get the right PSU for your system, most are most efficient at 60-75% load.

[ZERO]

Yea until you read in the fin print that the unit is only rated for that output at 60F, oh wait they would not print that shit now would they. What we are saying is yes buy a PSU for your load (although you could just buy one and never replace it...) but make sure that you get one of high quality and with a good warranty. If you do plan to overclock you will need a good psu. At minimum just make sure that it has Active PFC.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Okay thanks a lot guys, this was all very helpful. I'll post sometime tomorrow what I come up with for a final parts list and see if you agree.

[Steamer]

Steamer, if the PSU is made well it does not matter if its a single rail or 6. It will provide power to your parts without problems.

While true, it also waste's power overtime and is not as efficient or reliable. In the long run you may actually lose money.

On a single rail system you have power being pulled from that rail alone and all power needed is being used.

On a multi rail system all the power being allocated is not used. IE: 36 amps to CPU on rail 1 and 2 but CPU is only calling for 22 amps, the left over amps can not be used by the GPU, it must be pulled off another rail. Such a dirty system.

A well made single rail design will outperform any multi rail design.

Because of today's safety standards (20 amps per wire), most multi rail PSU's are actually single rail units with split 12v current limit circuitry.

If you do go with a (fake) multi rail system, make sure it has Active PFC and EVERY "rail" is OCP protected (current limit protection [over-current] ).

If you go single rail, make sure it is a quality piece.

Either way you ARE buying a single rail system. If your buy has more than one rail you best make sure it has OCP to each or you just bought a pile of junk.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Okay here is the list that I have came up with. I am 'selling' my comp to my father for him to use at our business and since its not really going to be used for anything special I picked a cheap case for it to go in(switch everything out of mine) and my dad for some odd reason wants a 32bit system on it so I am going to buy 4gb of ram and keep the 8 I have. And if your curious my ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231151 and case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?
Item=N82E16811129021

Comp -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131707

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139005

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115076

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152185

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118039

Sounds good?

[StarsMine]

Ram and board are incompatable :/ sorry bud, See if you can sell it and get some DDR3 ram.

DDR2 is for am2 and socket 775. ddr3 is for anything recent, and you cant mix and match those ram types

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Oh frak, didn't even see that, thanks!

*edit - buy these then. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231308