Gideon's suggestions for an even better server

[Sword of Gideon]

6 no. admins are admins, and should not get any form of special anything for being such. we want admins that love the servers/community, not people who buy it for their own personal gain... people who buy admin so they can benefit themselfs ALWAYS end up being a serious problem. we want admins who buy it cause they love and care for this community, not cause they want special privs. this would also be a serious disrespect 2 thos who have been admins of this community for multiple years, nor can we afford 2 drop the admin price 2 all existing admins...

I think you misunderstood this particular point. I meant that it would be neat to see admins rewarding other people for doing good things for the server, and that it would be cool if there was a system for rewards instead of just for punishment.

7 people come and people go. we go through admins constantly... and our community is unique cause we allow any one 2 be a admin provided they have the cash, we do this cause we have enough skilled staff/clan/current admins who will keep them in line, and report any bull shit new admins pull. people on welfare can afford 11 dollars a month lol... there is no reason for people 2 claim it's 2 much money, or anything... also if you really want IBIS 2 prosper, and you want 2 support it, why haven't you bought admin yourself?

I've alluded to the fact that I do want admin. My problem is the $11. I think that society today is getting nickel'ed and dimed for everything nowadays. I mean, you could even break it down to say the admin cost 35c a day!!! But the reality to me is that if I enjoyed admin then I might be on for a year. THat would be over $130. What could I buy for $130? 2, maybe 3 video games. I've already purchased Orange Box, so I don't see why I should have to pay more for the game. So for me, it's just a different point of view I have about the economics of charging for admin. So I've been trying to see if there was a way to get in for less. If by helping others who are new, trying to maintain civility, and promoting by example that good kind of behavior which was healthy for the server, that perhaps I could get a discount that would make me feel better about the $132 a year price tag.

Still, I think that this server has been very fair to me and my friend's list just exploded from enjoying the server. So I've been thinking about it. Anyway, you asked and this is where I'm coming from.

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Some quick suggestions:
1. Hide under a rock for about 1 month
2. Grow a beard and change your name
3. let this lulz pass over like the storm it is and hopefully you can come out alive.

I don't think your advice is good, and I don't think the way it was presented was useful.
The purpose of my letter was to help the server. I've learned that there are many things going on behind the scenes which I didn't know about and which will make this server better, and for me that is valuable information. I've also got people talking about things, and yeah maybe nothing will change; but maybe something will. At least people are talking. And when I don't agree with someone's response, I don't get all bitchy about it. I just accept the fact that we disagree. So I think that this is a valid topic with good conversation.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I've alluded to the fact that I do want admin. My problem is the $11. I think that society today is getting nickel'ed and dimed for everything nowadays. I mean, you could even break it down to say the admin cost 35c a day!!! But the reality to me is that if I enjoyed admin then I might be on for a year. THat would be over $130. What could I buy for $130? 2, maybe 3 video games. I've already purchased Orange Box, so I don't see why I should have to pay more for the game. So for me, it's just a different point of view I have about the economics of charging for admin. So I've been trying to see if there was a way to get in for less. If by helping others who are new, trying to maintain civility, and promoting by example that good kind of behavior which was healthy for the server, that perhaps I could get a discount that would make me feel better about the $132 a year price tag.

there isn't


you don't need to have admin in order to play. you don't need to pay more to be able to play. however, if you wish to support the server and keep it running well and clear of trash, you can donate 11$ and receive admin. the money goes straight to one of three things:
the servers' costs (renting servers aint cheap after all)
upgrades to zero's comp so he can better manage the servers
and an account to hold in reserve just in case we need it (aka, we need an upgrade for the servers, or need to pay a programmer to work on something for a mod)

we don't ask that you pay for any of that. however, if you want admin, you're required to pay. in the end, that 11$ you're trying to get out of helps the server more than all of your good deeds.having admin is not a right, it's a privilege, given to those who help support the servers.

[maynard]

you think it's free for zero 2 run 4 soon 2 be 5 servers? it takes a lot of money 2 keep this community going, it's about showing support for the community if you apparently care about it, not just throwing money away. ive been paying into admin for as long as I have cause I want 2 support this community, and help provide funding 2 keep it running, and 2 also give us options for expanding in the future.

[SCRIBBLE]

you think it's free for zero 2 run 4 soon 2 be 5 servers? it takes a lot of money 2 keep this community going, it's about showing support for the community if you apparently care about it, not just throwing money away. ive been paying into admin for as long as I have cause I want 2 support this community, and help provide funding 2 keep it running, and 2 also give us options for expanding in the future.

exactly this.

If by helping others who are new, trying to maintain civility, and promoting by example that good kind of behavior which was healthy for the server, that perhaps I could get a discount that would make me feel better about the $132 a year price tag.

The audacity of this statement doesn't shock me as it has become an all-too-common mindset nowadays. I hope you don't go through life thinking you should be rewarded for doing the right thing, especially something as trivial as assisting others in game.

[Sword of Gideon]

The audacity of this statement doesn't shock me as it has become an all-too-common mindset nowadays. I hope you don't go through life thinking you should be rewarded for doing the right thing, especially something as trivial as assisting others in game.

I do go through life with the full expectation that I should be rewarded for doing the right thing. And why is it that we accept that Admin ONLY stands for punishment??? It should also stand for reward!!! Shouldn't it? Just to balance it out.
What's wrong with an Admin doling out some small rewards when people's actions and words benefit the server? If anything you should strongly embrace anything that makes people feel better about the server and it's admins.

I think the mistake that people make is to see Admin (administrator) as the prosecuting attorney, judge, and jury. I think that completely misses the point. An admin is defined as being a manager, supervisor, or otherwise being a leader. And wouldn't any good boss provide rewards for excellence? I should hope so or we'd never get raises for our jobs. The admin should be seen as a leader and an asset of valuable information to players, and only when required a voice of reason moderator for any trouble. It's as if you are given a toolbox, but the only thing you want to pick up is the ban hammer. I mean that's the kind of talk I'm hearing. If I'm mistaken, I'd like to be enlightened.

If I were an admin, I would focus on how I could reward good behavior. And the viewpoint for me is that generally people respect authority. And so as a respected admin, I would either gain that respect from fear or by gratitude. Now obviously, this doesn't mean that if a person is in the server causing problems that I would not act. Of course I would act. I would act swiftly and surely. But I wouldn't view myself as ABOVE other players, merely as one of them who also supports the ibis servers and has been given some power because of that good deed. Should I not then return that same gratitude that ibis has given me by rewarding me with admin by using that power to reward other people who help new users or keep the peace in some way or otherwise keep the server healthy and happy? I mean, please explain this to me, because I'm utterly dumbfounded that anyone would say that rewarding people for doing the right thing is a bad attribute....

[acolyte_to_jippity]

why reward people for acting in an acceptable manner? it's expected that everyone who plays here hold themselves to some levels of decencey. otherwise they're not welcome.

admins exist to keep the servers clean, hacker-free, and to enforce the server rules. they pay for the servers. they become admin out of a desire to help and support the server. honestly, i think it should cot more, maybe 15$. not since the second grade have you been rewarded for following the rules. they stopped giving out gold stars a long time ago. if someone must learn how to behave here, why should we want them?

[Sword of Gideon]

why reward people for acting in an acceptable manner? it's expected that everyone who plays here hold themselves to some levels of decencey. otherwise they're not welcome.

admins exist to keep the servers clean, hacker-free, and to enforce the server rules. they pay for the servers. they become admin out of a desire to help and support the server. honestly, i think it should cot more, maybe 15$. not since the second grade have you been rewarded for following the rules. they stopped giving out gold stars a long time ago. if someone must learn how to behave here, why should we want them?

I see what you are saying. I know why you are saying it. What my position is here isn't really too different from where you're already at.

If we rewarded people for acting in "an acceptable manner", we'd have to reward most people. And you're absolutely right, there shouldn't be a reward for simply being acceptable or normal at all. It's expected! That's just normal life.
What I'm saying is that when you have a person who goes out of their way to help new people and it comes to the notice of an admin, there should be a way for that admin to say, "Hey look, thanks man. We're not always here. It's nice to know that someone's out here helping new people and actually and literally supporting the server. Cause I tell you what, a mean person can be ignored or muted or cause people to leave, a good person that helps teach a new player about something that feels very arcane and user-difficult such as turning on developer's console and binding a key can cause that player to become a paying admin that values this server because he was valued when he knew nothing at all!! And that's an important distinction. I don't care who helps out new people. If I want a business to thrive, then I'll give those people in that business that deserve rewards something to compensate them & show them my gratuity.

Why? Because it does matter. In any job you have ever held ever, haven't you always responded better to positive reinforcement rather than negative feedback? I know that I have. I would protect some of my managers like they were my family members because of the way I was treated at a place that I had to work at 8+hours a day. I would fight for them. I really would. But most of my bosses were just jerks who would complain and gripe and never give useful advice or acknowledgement for work well done. There are people who play in your servers for a dozen or more hours every week. It is a job for some. And it's the reasonable request from players to be respected for their time in your servers to enjoy good treatment. Going overboard and giving rewards will make people befriend Ibis forever and become lifelong loyal customers that pay for admin and donate and expand Ibis even more!!!

[maynard]

there should be a way for that admin to say, "Hey look, thanks man. We're not always here. It's nice to know that someone's out here helping new people and actually and literally supporting the server.

ya.. we already got a system in place like that... it's called the we do exactly what you said... when admins or clan see someone going above and beyond it's eventually noticed, talked about and builds a reputation for the person in this community... so... I guess you've won? we already do what you said we should do.

you have this really weird view of admins, and it's only you that seems 2 have it.. granted we have some admins that are a pain in the ass, but it seems like 2 you the admins are horrible cops and nothing more? the majority of people in this community like our admins, and are happier playing when an admin is on 2 make sure no bull shit happens. and like I said when someone is going above and beyond it's noticed, appreciated and can lead 2 being in the clan.

[B1ackOut]

I dont know what experiences you have had on ibis, but I'm pretty sure that most new peoples questions are answered verbally or by text, and if not the answers lie in console about ever 1-2 minutes. I can see where you are coming from but giving away rewards for being nice, it just seems like an unnecessary use of ibis' resources. As for the admin, if we dropped the price for you or select people we thought to be good admins, we wouldnt see how much you truly like this server and how much of your life you dedicate, besides then we would have to lower the price for everyone. Look not even the clan all have admin, why would we make exceptions for other people when they should be the ones who get discounts. Funds might be low, but you can always contribute by being a good person, telling admins about abuse and hackers..etc. Your reward will be getting a reputation and further advancement and popularity with the people you befriend.

[Steamer]

I do go through life with the full expectation that I should be rewarded for doing the right thing.

Good luck with that.