SO yes Controversy: ABORTION

[Superman]

dice, your post made me lol a bit because it always seems men are the majority who are against abortion. It really puzzles me as to why men are so against it, if they don't go through the whole ordeal. I'm prochoice myself. I see benefits to it and I see no reason for it. Funny though that those who are against abortion are for the death penalty. I guess eye for an eye is far less of a sin.

Men are against it cause women who do such things are killing OUR kids. There is only 2 reason to get an abortion, 1, you get rapped, that kind of mental abuse would not be healthy for a child or the parent. 2, you are molested by your father/brother/uncle and get prego, that kind of mental anguish on a child growing up would make him turn out to go physco on people and shoot up schools. Thats it. There should be NO other reason.

[loka]

So by your logic a baby born with AIDS should be born and put into this world because the mother wasn't raped or a victim of incest. Or the mother will suffer severe complications (possibly death) to birth the baby. There are a lot of consequences that come up in a pregnancy before a child is born. So no. There is more to abortion than just to cater to victims of sexual assault. Far more. And this is why I already said men get big headed with the whole abortion thing. THEIR kid. You have no idea just how bad an abortion can cause mental anguish in a mother than the father. Yeah, you helped being a sperm donor and all, but like I said, it seethes inside a man so much that a woman has that right to say no before a certain time in pregnancy to abort without the father's consent.

In conclusion holy sonic, your mom would more likely suffer a miscarriage than actually give birth to the child anyways. Take it more as a blessing and shit happens rather than be sad. Be happy your mom has the right and your father is supportive and isn't a raging douche who wants the child for his selfish reasons. He's taking a more proactive look at the consequences of both your family and your mothers well being.

[Steamer]

The death penalty is way to costly. If they made it cheaper I could care less... Either way... I could care less.

On topic, Most woman know whats best for them and it's ultimately their decision. Seeing both sides of the outcome personally, having one or not acquires some kind of anguish depending on the situation.

Example: Woman has tubal pregnancy, abort and not die or keep and both die... What would you choose? You who get all high and mighty and its OUR kid and are completely against abortion think about that one...

[loka]

The death penalty is way to costly. If they made it cheaper I could care less... Either way... I could care less.

Thing about abortion is it's either paid for by the woman or private health insurance, but about 74% pay for it from their own pocket. We pay to kill people for their crimes... whatever they were.

On topic, Most woman know whats best for them and it's ultimately their decision. Seeing both sides of the outcome personally, having one or not acquires some kind of anguish depending on the situation.

This is essentially the argument. They know what's best.

Really, to each their own.

[Disflux]

If you guys really want to get into a good Abortion discussion you should read up on Michael Tooley (supports abortion), Judith Jarvis Thomson (Supports woman's choice), and Peter Singer. The abortion argument, at it's core, is actually very simple. It's the exact same as the killing/murder argument. The argument is basically, as follows:
1. Every person has an equal right to life.
2. Depriving somebody of their right to life is morally wrong.
3. Killing another person deprives them of their right to life.
4. Thus, killing another person is morally wrong.

The problems in the abortion argument pop up, normally, in two places. Most people attack the first premis, on 2 different levels. You can attack the first premis by looking at the idea of "personhood', and what constitues that somebody is, indeed, a person. Some take a religious standpoint, others a medical standpoint. The religious standpoint normally takes the foundation that personhood is created the instant that "god" breathes into clay, and thus conception is when a fetus is considered a person. A more medical standpoint lies on the foundation of "consciousness". A fetus is only considered a person when they create a conscious (where many believe that our personalities lie. Just ask yourself, where are you on yourself?). Why is this relevant? Well, if a fetus isn't considered a person, then by killing them, you do not go against the above argument. Thus, killing a fetus in a case of consciousness would not be depriving that fetus of a right to life, since they didn't have one to begin with.

The second part of the first premis that people attack is normally the idea of a "right to life", which Judith Jarvis Thomson looks at. Thomson argues that a female has a greater right to control her body than the right to life of the fetus, but most people argue against Thomson stating that the right to life is a "greater right" than that of having a right to control one's own body.

I myself, do not choose a side, either pro-life or pro-choice. Because, I find that each case is "situational". You could have an obvious case where the birth of the fetus could have a high chance of death for both the mother and the baby, in which case I would be pro-choice. But then you can have the choice of a well-off family wanting an abortion just because they "accidentally" got pregnant, where I would stand on the pro-life side. But it's the issues in between, that are more convoluted, that determine the reason as to why I have a fluctuating approach to Abortion.

[superbatranger]

If taking care of your child is out of the question for whatever reason, then adoption should be the first and only choice. But, there are situations where the mother could be inclined to choose to abort the fetus, like being a victim of rape for instance. Just for the record, I am neither entirely pro-life or pro-choice. There are just too many unknown variables, in my opinion, to completely support one over the other. But, if taking care of your child or giving it up for adoption are viable options, then they should be chosen over abortion. In the end though, it should only be the choice of the mother. It shouldn't be taken lightly.