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  1. 08-06-2011 03:37 PM #21
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    i smelll beeef!!

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  2. 08-06-2011 04:25 PM #22
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    I will need to go though the logs and see which admins were doing this. I will be removing the ability to switch teams on the zm server to prevent this sort of abuse in the future. As this was quite widespread I will only be doing stat resets and not bans for all the players involved.

    I will start to get updates out later tonight.

    This will be moved to the admin abuse section.
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  3. 08-06-2011 05:08 PM #23
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    No players stats other than the admins will be reset. This is becuase they did not have control over it, only the admins did. For the players they all had an equal random opportunity to gain rank during the time of the abuse. They also can not be blamed for taking advantage of something an admin was doing.


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  4. 08-06-2011 05:18 PM #24
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    Ok, I ultimately found evidence of 2 admins that were doing this:

    First is Naked Saturday ibis.a STEAM_0:0:24604477 of who there is already evidence and whom has confessed.

    Second is Sinsanity ibis.a STEAM_0:0:18394072 of who's evidence is below:

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    L 07/31/2011 - 20:54:44: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "chinoindio<1048><STEAM_0:0:5261943><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 20:54:59: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sat thu vo tinh<1068><STEAM_0:1:27191413><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 20:55:55: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jeffcabel<1033><STEAM_0:0:7142019><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:01:26: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[LGL] moch<1092><STEAM_0:1:19563045><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:02:17: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "done<1090><STEAM_0:1:26597319><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:07:11: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:07:17: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jeffcabel<1033><STEAM_0:0:7142019><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:07:22: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sat thu vo tinh<1068><STEAM_0:1:27191413><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:08:13: [rconbridge.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" [SM] Gravity set to "800"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:08:31: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Spider<1110><STEAM_0:0:34048886><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:10:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "J.A.L.<1115><STEAM_0:0:16095462><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:11:42: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Superdeduper<1117><STEAM_0:1:40032796><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:13:10: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "done<1090><STEAM_0:1:26597319><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:13:15: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "eatinghalalfood<1121><STEAM_0:0:8699369><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:08: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "J.A.L.<1115><STEAM_0:0:16095462><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:14: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jeffcabel<1033><STEAM_0:0:7142019><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:24: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:31: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jimmay<1128><STEAM_0:1:1897237><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:37: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "eatinghalalfood<1121><STEAM_0:0:8699369><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:57: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "^1..::^8Disaster^7Soldier^1::.<1122><STEAM_0:0:35657834><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:08: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:14: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "chinoindio<1048><STEAM_0:0:5261943><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:21: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "SaintDogg<1129><STEAM_0:1:33456434><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:27: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Coco_man [The Family]<1135><STEAM_0:0:29913456><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:20:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jimmay<1128><STEAM_0:1:1897237><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:20:55: [playercommands.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" slayed "Superdeduper<1117><STEAM_0:1:40032796><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:21:03: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Wuman<743><STEAM_0:0:33426086><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:22:01: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Madarao<1137><STEAM_0:1:41097635><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:22:07: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[LGL] moch<1092><STEAM_0:1:19563045><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:23:03: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Zombies and Weed<1142><STEAM_0:0:11622629><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:23:58: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "macd1102<1144><STEAM_0:1:5066699><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:32: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:37: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[LGL] moch<1092><STEAM_0:1:19563045><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:42: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Zombies and Weed<1142><STEAM_0:0:11622629><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:51: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Shake Well B4 Using<1141><STEAM_0:0:28559987><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:26:06: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Keep Faith<1150><STEAM_0:1:39483534><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:27:21: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Oonyx<1151><STEAM_0:1:20120445><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:31: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Arragon<1154><STEAM_0:1:26789207><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sat thu vo tinh<1068><STEAM_0:1:27191413><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "^1..::^8Disaster^7Soldier^1::.<1122><STEAM_0:0:35657834><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:54: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Evil<1069><STEAM_0:1:38974523><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:59: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "capri<1155><STEAM_0:1:25300987><>"
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    L 07/31/2011 - 22:53:18: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "dinoso<81><STEAM_0:1:5680699><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:55:09: [playercommands.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" slayed "NOBODY<65><STEAM_0:0:19549505><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:55:42: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Ironhide<86><STEAM_0:1:37105987><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:56:53: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Time<88><STEAM_0:0:12965683><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:58:12: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "CS: 霸龙<89><STEAM_0:0:1372247><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:13: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text swapteam sin)
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:20: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:29: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "CS: 霸龙<89><STEAM_0:0:1372247><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Thunder Bunny<33><STEAM_0:1:2658645><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:05:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "ҜįckЪØx20<85><STEAM_0:0:31619465><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:05:41: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:05:46: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Pizza Pizza<83><STEAM_0:0:2244483><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:10:51: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[EcG-S] Wu-Shu (GO EAGLES!)<78><STEAM_0:0:11811028><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:12:28: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "nny156<102><STEAM_0:0:10292130><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:14:17: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Ringmaster037<104><STEAM_0:1:23089626><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 18:42:47: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><76><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "ҜįckЪØx20<5><STEAM_0:0:31619465><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:46:52: [funvotes.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" initiated an alltalk vote.
L 08/01/2011 - 21:47:24: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  :P)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:47:51: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  I go way back on this server)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:48:26: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Yes)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:48:38: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  that depends)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:48:51: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  do you ALL want to get to that level?)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:49:24: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "MercFox1<348><STEAM_0:0:1389582><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:49:39: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Ultimate always crashes the servewr :/)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:49:52: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  I've done it...twice)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:50:08: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Normal right now?)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:50:57: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "SPAWN<326><STEAM_0:1:17570057><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:51:50: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Be sure to extend map if you'd like :)_)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:53:02: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "xPuRpX<387><STEAM_0:0:11193019><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:55:22: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "OSS.ROID<274><STEAM_0:0:20610827><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:55:27: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:55:33: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "__Reign<358><STEAM_0:0:18554848><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:56:19: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "P-Treeze<395><STEAM_0:1:9592278><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:56:25: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "nilbog [DG]<393><STEAM_0:1:2412486><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:56:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Striders So Fly<396><STEAM_0:0:24353667><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:57:10: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "t-rannosaurus<392><STEAM_0:1:37659144><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:57:38: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  You're not a zombie :))
L 08/01/2011 - 21:57:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "gunsmoke<399><STEAM_0:1:4913621><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:59:21: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "BiGDADDYREAPER<398><STEAM_0:0:17566220><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:00:18: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Good luck :D)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:26: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Relax please :))
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:36: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:44: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "SPAWN<326><STEAM_0:1:17570057><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:50: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "chele<342><STEAM_0:0:23506287><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:03:46: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Someone didnt go left to get other gun)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:05:19: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  BB med)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:05:38: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "gtbusa2002<411><STEAM_0:0:5594379><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:06:28: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "WetOddDog<409><STEAM_0:0:28837651><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:06:57: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  Go go go!)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:08:27: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text  you hit me :P)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:08:56: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "nilbog [DG]<418><STEAM_0:1:2412486><>"
    Code:
    L 08/02/2011 - 19:24:28: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Vode<376><STEAM_0:0:19691003><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:24:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "russdv<355><STEAM_0:0:10626700><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:24:45: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Elfen_Lied<249><STEAM_0:0:8974206><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:25:15: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "ҜįckЪØx20<339><STEAM_0:0:31619465><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:25:19: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Cliff<306><STEAM_0:0:1044286><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:25:23: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "benbongo16<247><STEAM_0:0:39402899><>"
    A demo of one incident is also attached. For now players are unbanned. I will be removing the stats from these two players tonight, to give time for any addational evidence ect before closing this case.


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  5. 08-06-2011 05:31 PM #25
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    Sinsanity why in the fuck would you do this? I cannot believe you would do such shit that puts me and other admins in such disgrace. Naked you had it coming but Sinsanity, i helped you get into adminship and you abused the shit out of it. You deserve your punishment to the full extent.
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  6. 08-06-2011 05:34 PM #26
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    that's bullshit. you should reset anyone who took part
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    Yeah ZERO, why does the server have a command like that?
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    Here is the way I see it. Basically the security at the bank started handing out money from the vault of course everyone is going to line up to have some. You can not really blame them it is the guards who are at fault. This is why I am not going to punish the players. In addition there is no way to ensure that I can track down every single player that gained an advantage from this. It is not fair to punish some of the players but not all of them. It also is not fair to punish players who may have done nothing wrong other than be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

    The people who had control over the situation and created the situation was the admins. In the past when admins gave out money on wcs the players did not have level resets but the admins involved did. Thus there already is prior cases involving this sort of incident where admins do something that gains themselves and others an advantage where as only the admins were punished.

    Now on the other hand if it can be proven that a particular group of players was conspiring with admins to do this than it is reasonable for them to be punished as well.


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    i still vote we ban em.

    disgrace and shame upon the ibis adminships.. back in the day it would of been wahbooom and their gone.
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    Slap in the face.

    Slap on their wrist.

    The 2 caught red handed should have at least not gotten off so easy. Ness SHOULD have his stats reset for at least yesterday. It was already stated he conspired with Saturday to do so.
    The other way to see it is if those people where still taking the "free" money they would also have repercussions from law enforcement knowingly taking said stolen money.

    As for Sinsanity looks like he swapped teams to take everyone to a more difficult level on the map. Which most everyone usually agrees with. His stats page doesn't really show rank manipulation.
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