Clarity, and Ideas for the Gungame

[Darkphoenix]

i agree with steamer its fine if they do the decintigrate thing, just don't let them float

[Nemesis]

any way to do something with the draw animation when you level up? it seems like nothing but in that second it takes to draw the gun when you lvl up and you're shooting a group, it can really screw you.

[Link]

Strictly speaking, there is absolutely no rule that I've ever seen that forbids TK punishment, intentional or accidental, after the warmup round or whatever. As far as I'm concerned, that's fine. People TK other players, the menu comes up and they've given permission to their teammate to do whatever they want with that menu.

Does it suck to get slayed for an unintentional tk? absolutely. does it suck to get slayed for start-of-the-map nade round? Yes. But remember that you are not required to kill your teammates, or shoot at them. That is your choice. When you kill them, you have indicated that you accept whatever consequences come from your teamkill. accidental or otherwise. imo anyway.

if someone doesn't like getting punished for a teamkill, the solution is extremely obvious: don't teamkill. period. and you won't have to worry facing a tk menu. This includes and especially applies to warm up round with grenades.

I agree about the floating bodies. it sucks, please to have it removed.

Regarding camping: Yes, there is strategy behind it, SOMETIMES, but it is when it becomes excessive (I believe that's best left to admin discretion) is when it's against the rules. Camping once, or twice, is NOT against the rules. The server rule explicitly states "excessive camping". After twice or so, I'd say a warning is deserved. If, after at LEAST two separate instances of camping, with warnings thrown in there, further action may be appropriate. If someone is on deagle and camps a particular spot, it isn't against the rules until they do so consistently, and excessively, and have been warned to cease and desist after several times.

I acknowledge, that to a degree, some rules have been applied in a more discretionary manner, at least in my experience. With regards to warm up round slaying, and after round slaying, in the past I have slayed for that, in an effort to discourage. However, since then, I've backed off from that approach because it's genuinely not against any rule to slay or otherwise punish for warmup or after round tks.


With regards to causing knife fights to draw out by running away, or causing the opponent to get slayed, is a big red flag for me. I won't stand for it. It's a knife fight for a reason. Not a run-away-so-the-T-gets-slayed fight. I think a rule regarding that should be drawn up and applied. Call it an exploit of the server. Why? Because they are exploiting the mechanics of the game for their own advantage (ie a T on nade level in a knife fight gets slayed because the CT ran around until time was gone and the T got slayed from nade level).

Additionally, it's been a big pet peeve of mine when players, and admins, exploit the gungame handicap to gain levels. I agree that there should be a handicap, but when someone leaves and reconnects to gain levels because they weren't doing good, is a gross abuse of that mechanic. Is there, perhaps, a way that when players leave and rejoin the server on the same map, that it can put them back on the level they were when they left? This function would still permit late joiners to benefit from the handicap, but prevent those who have already played in the same map to rejoin and jump in levels. Could this be looked into? Thanks.

Other rules of sorts that I've witnessed or enforced at one time or another..well, there was a player who took the name 'Jared Loughner', and I take names of that sort to be inherently disrespectful not only to others, but to myself especially. The very idea of glorifying a person like that, even in a game like Counter Strike, strikes a level of admin disrespect that I refuse to tolerate in good community such as this. Am I wrong? I don't know. I just wouldn't put up for things like that. :P Call it a gray area that I am pleased is up to my discretion to handle.

If i think of anything else, i will post it.

[Rezel]

Link, I believe you have a very good point with your statement, there seems to be quite a bit of discrepancy with the exploits that are being used, and how admins are handling these abuses.

There is a good bit of ideas incoming to this topic, keep them coming; Just remember this is a topic is more pointed towards getting a list of rules on the forums to better the experience for the server.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

I agree with a lot link has said, if you TK during nade or after round, your taking a risk, so I just only TK people I know that won't slay me. As for the nade round, sometimes its harder because you are just throwing grenades at will and blindly but with that said, just go to the other time and knife them.

Also camping isn't against the rules unless it's excessive, I think this is something that a select group of admins just need to learn to live with.(unless we decide on a new rule).

Of course other rules that need to be said, no leaving and re-joining to gain levels that might be the only GG related rule I think of that isn't a blanket rule for all the servers.

[Steamer]

What you forget is people intentionally run into a group of nades trying to get a knife off the other team during warm up and there is no way to avoid it.

How about this... Make it simple... Starting today I will ignore warm up round and do nothing. It's worthless and does not warm you up for shit besides getting a TK punishment. Punishment should be removed on warm up all together.

CT runs from a knife fight to get T slayed, slay CT, Even.. Done. No if this could be worked in auto without an admin slaying, that would be even better.

As far as camping... I don't regard it as excessive unless it is wasting peoples time. I will continue to camp as strategically as I can without wasting other players time, be it the same spot or not. It isn't my fault "you" can't kill me when I'm in the same spot ever time (even without wasting time), that's "your" stupidity and lack of skill.

The leaving / level function pertaining to keeping same level in map I have seen in other servers, while allowing newcomers to be handicapped. Great Idea Link.
(I will not lie, I have left server before to be handicapped. Yet I knew I wouldn't win nor was trying to, sometimes the scout or awp gets really fucking boring. lol)

Twisting other players name's to disrespect them is enforceable with punishment. Using a racist or offending name (or being racist without directing it towards another) no matter your personal opinion is NOT enforceable and is allowed, you should do nothing about it and if you do you therefore have abused your administrative powers. This is no grey area, as said many times over by Zero himself. This is not up to your discretion. As goes for ALL IBIS servers. This is no rule that needs to be added to GG, there is one in place universally. No flame intended, just stating fact.

[Rezel]

I have compiled a List of ideas for rules - I will add to the top post as ideas start popping up to see if we can get a working draft!

[Rezel]

What you forget is people intentionally run into a group of nades trying to get a knife off the other team during warm up and there is no way to avoid it.

OK, then we will have to either do what I said below, or add more detail to clarify.

How about this... Make it simple... Starting today I will ignore warm up round and do nothing. It's worthless and does not warm you up for shit besides getting a TK punishment. Punishment should be removed on warm up all together.

So your basically saying that we should remove the warmup round because it does nothing?

CT runs from a knife fight to get T slayed, slay CT, Even.. Done. No if this could be worked in auto without an admin slaying, that would be even better.

hmm not having it as a rule, and just having it implemented through a script would work fine, but the issue is its another mod for the server to handle.

The leaving / level function pertaining to keeping same level in map I have seen in other servers, while allowing newcomers to be handicapped. Great Idea Link.
(I will not lie, I have left server before to be handicapped. Yet I knew I wouldn't win nor was trying to, sometimes the scout or awp gets really fucking boring. lol)

I can understand where you are coming from on the guns getting boring but it kind of ruins the point if you can just skip over the guns you are having the hard time with. This would not remove the handicap whatsoever, but it would stop players who have already been playing from rejoining and gaining a new gun to skip something they were having a hard time with.

Twisting other players name's to disrespect them is enforceable with punishment. Using a racist or offending name (or being racist without directing it towards another) no matter your personal opinion is NOT enforceable and is allowed, you should do nothing about it and if you do you therefore have abused your administrative powers. This is no grey area, as said many times over by Zero himself. This is not up to your discretion. As goes for ALL IBIS servers. This is no rule thaneeds to be added to GG, there is one in place universally. No flame intended, just stating fact.

Then we will have to go into more detail involving that particular rule so that it clearly states everything.

[slipstream]

I wouldn't mind if nextmap was fixed. Just saying.