Symbiotic 9/17/11 12:05 AM ET, STEAM_0:0:19432712

[brett friggin favre]

Name in Game: Symbiotic
Steam-ID: STEAM_0:0:19432712
Where: WCS
Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...steamid&Submit
Reason for perma ban: wallhacking, aim toggle? (prim. headshots through smoke, consistently)

DEMOS: (first one is a short demo i took for convenience, has him getting 2 headshots through smoke, second is from source tv.)

This guy has been around wcs for the past few days, getting headshots through smoke. First time was a few days ago on dust2, he got 2 headshots simultaneously spraying through smoke (don't remember exact day or time, otherwise i'd attach that one too >.<) and other people have been saying they've been getting headshotted through smoke by this guy. The tipoff with him is that he ALWAYS gets kills when he shoots through smoke, and it's ALWAYS a headshot. I understand that my short demo can be taken as lucky shooting, but the fact that he has done this numerous times, only with HEADSHOTS through smoke is a pretty clear indicator if you ask me. I specced him, then baited him by going hell hunter and throwing smokes, got lucky to get those 2 recorded when I started the demo and wassabi made the ban, but if for whatever reason the community feels it to be a false ban I would like to take all responsibility, as I was the one pursuing it.

[Symbiotic]

Hello, I have played CZ for 6 years and have gotten pretty good at hearing where people are and knowing where to aim to get headshots. I do not hack and have never hacked. Please reconsider the ban. Please contact me on steam or at my email [email protected].

[brett friggin favre]

I have played since cs 1.4 and I have NEVER seen anyone get headshots through smoke as consistently as you do. I have done that...maybe 3 or 4 times in my whole career and I've seen you do it 10 times over the past week. If you would like to appeal the ban, you may post a ban appeal in the proper section with the proper format but I stand by my analysis, regardless of your experience.

As a side note, CZ aiming is very different from CS:S aiming, so that skill doesn't translate as it appears to with you...especially when you can't see your targets.

[maynard]

if you post it, it's your ban. so you might want 2 be familiar with the actual person being banned and the demo of said hacker.

if the ban gets overturned, it goes on your record, not wassabi's... I Would suggest that all admins not post for other admins unless they really wana stand by the ban.... but just the same admins should stop being lazy, and deal with their own bans.

[brett friggin favre]

if you post it, it's your ban. so you might want 2 be familiar with the actual person being banned and the demo of said hacker.

if the ban gets overturned, it goes on your record, not wassabi's... I Would suggest that all admins not post for other admins unless they really wana stand by the ban.... but just the same admins should stop being lazy, and deal with their own bans.

i'm aware, and i watched this guy get other headshots through smoke and i took the short demo you see. speaking of the demos, i just reviewed my short one again with r_drawothermodels 2 and you can actually see better what's going on and how he decides when he's going to spray. but anyway i think you misunderstood what i was saying. i was going to ban him, then wassabi said he'd do it so i let him go ahead and since i took the demo, saw the kills, i would write it up. it's not so much me posting for him as it is him banning for me.

[Jiggy]

ok check this out i was sitting in spec ive noticed and couple other admin noticed and suspected about it. and sorry i didnt post the ban on the site my mistake.

[Symbiotic]

BTW if you watch the longer demo you can see through every smoke how I would spray 1-3 clips through each smoke and through some of them if you look closely you can see movement through them or bullets coming at me giving away the enemies position... as for the short I was able to see the people position by their bullet fire down the hallway. If I was hacking don't you think I would have seen the last guy standing behind the left door that got me? Also, to the CZ being different aiming than CS:S its the same... We play the same maps people hide in the same spots and the only "cheat" that I do is turning foot step sounds up which is actually a legit strategy for cal-o cal-m players... and is not considered hacking.

edit* I found a demo where I am getting headshots if you watch you can see that I am in fact aiming towards their heads and not hacking. About 5 minutes in I pull out a gun and just Shift + F2 to get there. This is simply my typical play style and there is no indication or even the slightest hint of hacking...Attachment 4073

[Xerenix]

After looking through all 3 demos, i see no indication of any hacking at all. His aim is too smooth for it to be aimbot and during the symwalls demo, he sprays through the smoke killing one guy then reloads, when he has just finished reloading and start spraying again, a enemy shows up in the smoke.

I'll have to vote no on this one.

[Jiggy]

if you post it, it's your ban. so you might want 2 be familiar with the actual person being banned and the demo of said hacker.

if the ban gets overturned, it goes on your record, not wassabi's... I Would suggest that all admins not post for other admins unless they really wana stand by the ban.... but just the same admins should stop being lazy, and deal with their own bans.

ok than i will start on posting bans and not asking other admins to do it

[maynard]

ok than i will start on posting bans and not asking other admins to do it

thx

it's best that way as often questions can come up about the person, or the demo it's self... having the person who did the ban post it just makes it easier for us 2 follow up on it if need be.

several times ive gone 2 someone, asked them specifics about a ban and they say "oh I was doing the ban for blah blah so I don't know ask them" ... just ends up being a waste of time.