Symbiotic 9/17/11 12:05 AM ET, STEAM_0:0:19432712

[brett friggin favre]

I have played since cs 1.4 and I have NEVER seen anyone get headshots through smoke as consistently as you do. I have done that...maybe 3 or 4 times in my whole career and I've seen you do it 10 times over the past week. If you would like to appeal the ban, you may post a ban appeal in the proper section with the proper format but I stand by my analysis, regardless of your experience.

As a side note, CZ aiming is very different from CS:S aiming, so that skill doesn't translate as it appears to with you...especially when you can't see your targets.

[maynard]

if you post it, it's your ban. so you might want 2 be familiar with the actual person being banned and the demo of said hacker.

if the ban gets overturned, it goes on your record, not wassabi's... I Would suggest that all admins not post for other admins unless they really wana stand by the ban.... but just the same admins should stop being lazy, and deal with their own bans.

[brett friggin favre]

if you post it, it's your ban. so you might want 2 be familiar with the actual person being banned and the demo of said hacker.

if the ban gets overturned, it goes on your record, not wassabi's... I Would suggest that all admins not post for other admins unless they really wana stand by the ban.... but just the same admins should stop being lazy, and deal with their own bans.

i'm aware, and i watched this guy get other headshots through smoke and i took the short demo you see. speaking of the demos, i just reviewed my short one again with r_drawothermodels 2 and you can actually see better what's going on and how he decides when he's going to spray. but anyway i think you misunderstood what i was saying. i was going to ban him, then wassabi said he'd do it so i let him go ahead and since i took the demo, saw the kills, i would write it up. it's not so much me posting for him as it is him banning for me.

[Jiggy]

ok check this out i was sitting in spec ive noticed and couple other admin noticed and suspected about it. and sorry i didnt post the ban on the site my mistake.

[Symbiotic]

BTW if you watch the longer demo you can see through every smoke how I would spray 1-3 clips through each smoke and through some of them if you look closely you can see movement through them or bullets coming at me giving away the enemies position... as for the short I was able to see the people position by their bullet fire down the hallway. If I was hacking don't you think I would have seen the last guy standing behind the left door that got me? Also, to the CZ being different aiming than CS:S its the same... We play the same maps people hide in the same spots and the only "cheat" that I do is turning foot step sounds up which is actually a legit strategy for cal-o cal-m players... and is not considered hacking.

edit* I found a demo where I am getting headshots if you watch you can see that I am in fact aiming towards their heads and not hacking. About 5 minutes in I pull out a gun and just Shift + F2 to get there. This is simply my typical play style and there is no indication or even the slightest hint of hacking...Attachment 4073

[Xerenix]

After looking through all 3 demos, i see no indication of any hacking at all. His aim is too smooth for it to be aimbot and during the symwalls demo, he sprays through the smoke killing one guy then reloads, when he has just finished reloading and start spraying again, a enemy shows up in the smoke.

I'll have to vote no on this one.

[brett friggin favre]

After looking through all 3 demos, i see no indication of any hacking at all. His aim is too smooth for it to be aimbot and during the symwalls demo, he sprays through the smoke killing one guy then reloads, when he has just finished reloading and start spraying again, a enemy shows up in the smoke.

I'll have to vote no on this one.

Watch the symwalls demo again with r_drawothermodels 2. Note the timing of his first spray, right before he dies. I suspect his wallhacks work like r_drawothermodels 2. he uses that jutting out wall to see when players run into the smoke. He could start spraying at any time but he looks through the jutting wall to see when players are going to be in the target area. He also does that for the second kill he gets. Also with the second kill, I don't think he sprays a FULL clip into the smoke. Most of one for sure, but if its truly random spray you wouldn't just stop after you get a kill, you'd finish the clip to see if you could get another. On top of those, note how he knows where the player down the hall is. Of course it could be on his radar because his teammate had just seen him, so I can't say anything for sure on that one. Then note how he prefires the human down the other hall towards t-spawn. He knows the player is there. If you watch without drawothermodels, you can't see the guy there, he just prefires him. I know that looking into that hall is a tough spot. I'm most on guard for guys who pop out right in front of me, hiding behind the doors, as a good player would be. He doesn't even check corners. He just goes straight to the door to T spawn and starts shooting. If he was playing SMART, he'd see that for the moment nobody is in the hallway and move into it, keeping an eye on the doors to T spawn. He'd move in there so an enemy didn't surprise him from the side but instead of doing any of that, he KNOWS the player is right behind the doors and prefires him. Also you'd want to run into the hallway because at this point, the enemy has the jump on you. When you shoot, you let him know where you are, and it's up to him when to pop out and take you out. He gives the opponent an advantage which is why he dies. An experienced player would run into the hallway and try to get the jump on the enemy, catching him by surprise, not shooting at a wall til he comes out. ON TOP OF THAT, back to the spraying through smoke, HE NEVER CHECKS HIS REAR OR HIS FLANK. A player as "experienced" as him would know that while he's reloading, he should use that time to check his surroundings for enemies trying to flank him, but he remains fixated on the wall in front of him. Why? Because he can see through them.

[Jiggy]

if you post it, it's your ban. so you might want 2 be familiar with the actual person being banned and the demo of said hacker.

if the ban gets overturned, it goes on your record, not wassabi's... I Would suggest that all admins not post for other admins unless they really wana stand by the ban.... but just the same admins should stop being lazy, and deal with their own bans.

ok than i will start on posting bans and not asking other admins to do it

[maynard]

ok than i will start on posting bans and not asking other admins to do it

thx

it's best that way as often questions can come up about the person, or the demo it's self... having the person who did the ban post it just makes it easier for us 2 follow up on it if need be.

several times ive gone 2 someone, asked them specifics about a ban and they say "oh I was doing the ban for blah blah so I don't know ask them" ... just ends up being a waste of time.

[Jiggy]

thx

it's best that way as often questions can come up about the person, or the demo it's self... having the person who did the ban post it just makes it easier for us 2 follow up on it if need be.

several times ive gone 2 someone, asked them specifics about a ban and they say "oh I was doing the ban for blah blah so I don't know ask them" ... just ends up being a waste of time.

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np