Quote Originally Posted by brett friggin favre View Post
Watch the symwalls demo again with r_drawothermodels 2. Note the timing of his first spray, right before he dies. I suspect his wallhacks work like r_drawothermodels 2. he uses that jutting out wall to see when players run into the smoke. He could start spraying at any time but he looks through the jutting wall to see when players are going to be in the target area. He also does that for the second kill he gets. Also with the second kill, I don't think he sprays a FULL clip into the smoke. Most of one for sure, but if its truly random spray you wouldn't just stop after you get a kill, you'd finish the clip to see if you could get another. On top of those, note how he knows where the player down the hall is. Of course it could be on his radar because his teammate had just seen him, so I can't say anything for sure on that one. Then note how he prefires the human down the other hall towards t-spawn. He knows the player is there. If you watch without drawothermodels, you can't see the guy there, he just prefires him. I know that looking into that hall is a tough spot. I'm most on guard for guys who pop out right in front of me, hiding behind the doors, as a good player would be. He doesn't even check corners. He just goes straight to the door to T spawn and starts shooting. If he was playing SMART, he'd see that for the moment nobody is in the hallway and move into it, keeping an eye on the doors to T spawn. He'd move in there so an enemy didn't surprise him from the side but instead of doing any of that, he KNOWS the player is right behind the doors and prefires him. Also you'd want to run into the hallway because at this point, the enemy has the jump on you. When you shoot, you let him know where you are, and it's up to him when to pop out and take you out. He gives the opponent an advantage which is why he dies. An experienced player would run into the hallway and try to get the jump on the enemy, catching him by surprise, not shooting at a wall til he comes out. ON TOP OF THAT, back to the spraying through smoke, HE NEVER CHECKS HIS REAR OR HIS FLANK. A player as "experienced" as him would know that while he's reloading, he should use that time to check his surroundings for enemies trying to flank him, but he remains fixated on the wall in front of him. Why? Because he can see through them.

After watching the demo a few times more, i'm still not convinced he's wallhacking.

Here is what i see happens:

1. Symbotic gets killed by a guy in the smoke then respawns.

2. Symbotic sprays into the smoke and kills the first guy then reloads while the second guy runs next to the smoke shooting.

3. When Symbotic finish reloading, he sprays into the smoke and kills the second guy then he reloads again after using up his bullets, when he finish reloading the smoke disappears and he walks forward.

4. When nearing the corner, you can hear the third guy in the hall shooting with his afk and symbotic know he's there because of it and then kills him.

5. Symbotic go into the middle of the hall then turns around while his teammate gets killed in the second hall by a fouth guy which makes both the teammate and enemy show up on the radar where they were.

6. Symbotic prefires into the second hall then the fourth guy teleports while symbotic keeps spraying near door to T spawn not seeing the fourth guy comming up right next to him.

Nothing in it looks like wallhack to me.