OCCUPY gets out of hand

[elpolloloco]

Whether or not you think the Occupy movement is just a bunch of slackers, but this is absolutely intolerable. I admit I'm a conservative and think a lot of this Occupy stuff is mostly a bunch of slackers, but regardless, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OZLyUK0t0vQ

For those two can't look at work or whatever: The cops threw a flash bang into the crowd, which injured someone. Even if it was an accident, the cops deliberately threw another one right INTO THE MIDDLE of a group of people that were trying to help the injured person.

This cop needs to be fuckin' crucified

This video needs to be all over the national news

[StarsMine]

Did you also see the one who just walked by and maced a group of protesters?
Most of the police have been acting the way they should, but there are always the dumbasses like this.

[brett friggin favre]

do you expect cops to be perfectly calm in that situation? that's not just a peaceful protest, that's essentially a riot (leave it to oakland). imagine being an admin on these servers, you go on the gungame server and holy shit people are tk'ing everywhere, calling each other ni****s, breaking rules left and right...what do you do? you throw a few 1 hr bans around to try to get stuff under control. peoples' lives are at risk in this situation or at least a cop can see it that way, and he was willing to risk the injury of a few to save the lives of more. crucify him? he's doing his job. you can have a PEACEFUL protest but don't riot, then you're just asking for this. you can only poke the dog a few times before it bites you. do you not see the "protesters" lobbing things at the cops? how long til that turns deadly? you HAVE to put a stop to it sometime

sorry i keep editing this. it's unfortunate that people were injured, but the occupy movement is supposed to be a peaceful, legal protest. in oakland, that turned into violence and illegal activity. THAT is not legal. when you cross the line, you accept the fact that there ARE consequences and you gotta be prepared for them.

[elpolloloco]

Let me state this: If the police are ordered to disperse the crowd and launch smoke and flashes into the crowd, I have no problem with it. But this isn't about that.

This is about the cops DELIBERATELY aiming, TRYING TO HIT HUMANS who were trying to help an injured person. This isn't about whether or not the crowd should have been broken up. I think those people are a bunch of slackers, but to deliberately try to injure a group of people TRYING TO HELP someone laying on the crowd critical injured is just unacceptable.

[brett friggin favre]

i understand what you're saying, however using a charged word like crucify is a little extreme. what happened should be looked into, but i don't see any reason to CRUCIFY this guy (literally or just in the media). haven't you made mistakes at your job? if it was a mistake, proper punishment actions should be taken, but would you want your job mistakes to be all over the national news?

[elpolloloco]

haven't you made mistakes at your job?

If I did it deliberately with intent to injure, then it wouldn't be a mistake, now would it?

[brett friggin favre]

If I did it deliberately with intent to injure, then it wouldn't be a mistake, now would it?

yes it would be. not an "oopsie" mistake, an "i overreacted" mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. also note that flashbangs, while capabilities of causing injury, are intended to disorient, and nothing more. it is a non-lethal form of crowd control, and as i stated before, the protesters were also lobbing things at the cops (with intent to injure?)

[elpolloloco]

the protesters were also lobbing things at the cops (with intent to injure?)

Some were, yes. This group wasn't even looking at the cops and the cop that threw it had a front row view of this. He could see that NONE of these guys presented any immediate harm. Throw a flash bang at the guy throwing a rock. Throw some smoke next to the group that was trying to help. But when you see that your "OOPSIE" did serious injury to someone that caused the fuckin' guy to lay there BLEEDING FROM THE SKULL 3 feet away from you and you do it again, with EVEN MORE direct intent, that's just fuckin' retarded.

I know neither one of us are going to sway the other, but if this guy was so stupid that he didn't know that lobbing a flash bang in someone's face would do serious injury and couldn't figure it out after the guy RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM got hit in the face and laid on the crowd bleeding from the head, he needs to have his balls stapled to the wall.

And this opinion is coming from a conservative guy here who thinks the "Occupiers" are a bunch of smelly hippies. And think about this. The guy that was on the ground was obviously injured. And he threw a flash band just 1 foot from a man that was already bleeding from the skull.

Let me repeat that: The COP.... threw a flashbang, 1 foot away... from a guy... that was BLEEDING.... from the skull, man that was a few FEET from the cop that he could see.

And let me ask you this: Since now you seem to be arguing more about how big of a mistake it was, it looks like you are indeed admitting it was a mistake. So you're essentially admitting that what the cop did was wrong then, right? We're just arguing about HOW wrong?

[brett friggin favre]

i wouldn't say arguing, i'd say bantering. i'm saying from what i can see, it appears to me that a mistake has been made. however i don't know what happened before this, incident, so i can't say for sure. but really the person wasn't injured as bad as it seems. from what i know about flashbangs, it was a minor facial laceration combined with disorientation (temporary blindness, ears ringing, etc.) now if the guy had a huge gash in his head, blood spewing from his eyeballs, and was unconscious, then yes this would be a huge deal. in all likelihood though he may have to wear a band-aid for a few days, but again i can't say for sure cuz i don't know what happened after this. the second flash does seem unnecessary, but riots are very confusing times and it's difficult to think clearly. i'm just trying to give the cop benefit of the doubt because i know a lot of cops and none have any intent of harming anyone in their community. yes it could be a retarded nasty cop, like percy in the green mile, but i'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt here. just my personal opinion, not saying i'm right or wrong, just that based on the evidence at hand and on my own personal experience, that's how i feel.

[elpolloloco]

i wouldn't say arguing, i'd say bantering. i'm saying from what i can see, it appears to me that a mistake has been made. however i don't know what happened before this, incident, so i can't say for sure. but really the person wasn't injured as bad as it seems. from what i know about flashbangs, it was a minor facial laceration combined with disorientation (temporary blindness, ears ringing, etc.) now if the guy had a huge gash in his head, blood spewing from his eyeballs, and was unconscious, then yes this would be a huge deal. in all likelihood though he may have to wear a band-aid for a few days, but again i can't say for sure cuz i don't know what happened after this. the second flash does seem unnecessary, but riots are very confusing times and it's difficult to think clearly. i'm just trying to give the cop benefit of the doubt because i know a lot of cops and none have any intent of harming anyone in their community. yes it could be a retarded nasty cop, like percy in the green mile, but i'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt here. just my personal opinion, not saying i'm right or wrong, just that based on the evidence at hand and on my own personal experience, that's how i feel.

Well that's about as close as we're going to get on the subject and I respect your opinion. I just dont' trust a lot of cops, especially Oakland cops. The people of Oakland shouldn't have much cause for trusting them either. They're involved in countless court cases right now about abusing their powers and one was even found guilty of straight up murder earlier this year.

Plus I don't live too far from the University of Maryland. Every other year or so there's a basketball riot, the last one being due to us beating Duke. I had a friend was was running around and got shot in the face with a rubber bullet. Even *I* admit that he got what he deserved. But I've also seen tons of abuse during these riots as well. Anyone from th DC area can tell ya about an incident going on right now a high profile beat down that happened during that last duke riot. A man got a severe beat down by about 3-4 cops with batons. The cops claimed he attacked them first. Which is funny, because the next day, video emerged on youtube of the incident which show the guys literally SKIPPING down the sidewalk, stopping about 10 feet away from a few horseback cops. A few words exchanged and the man didn't do so much as even flip a cop off and they jumped off their horses and bashed his brains in. Even after the video went viral on youtube the official word was that he made the first gesture and it wasn't until the local news grabbed the video and showed it that the PG county cops had to eat their words.

I just don't trust cops. They LIE just as much, if not more than your average citizen.

Anyone who witness shit like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPwyodTkYA would have just as much reason to be pissed off at cops