Paradox? What do?

[JollyBloo]

So i've noticed recently on a couple maps (zm_euronews for example) That there is a slight paradox in the zm rules. We cannot cade ALL entrances to a crouch spot but say there is two entrances then you can cade one. Now there is also the rule about no glitching doors etc. But can you glitch the door if there is another entrance? Apparently so (Though most said it was a gray area.)

Now here's where i'm lost. Now you have a small room with a door and a crouch entrance, Both can be caded and practically impossible to break, but is it legal? They cade the crouch spot in knowing there is a 2nd entrance but the 2nd entrance is glitched (The door). I personally think that these kinds of cades should be illegal, that any cade that glitches a door shouldn't be allowed even if there are other entrances :\

[Meltdown]

I do say all spots that are impossible to get trough are illegal. And the second thing is I'm also against cading in crouch area's which makes it too easy for humans to defend.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I do say all spots that are impossible to get trough are illegal. And the second thing is I'm also against cading in crouch area's which makes it too easy for humans to defend.

well, if you cade one entrance of a crouch area, that takes away the number of people you can have in there. if there are two entrances, and you cade one, then you can only have 2 people in it at once. it's 2/opening, remember?

and, in answer to your question, no. if you glitch a door, then that is not considered an entrance. it is considered either a glitched door, or nothing. therefore, cading the crouch entrance would be cading the only entrance to a crouch spot. (crouch spot does not mean that you must be crouched while inside. it also applies to places one can ONLY get to by crouching (see red room on highschool; the only entrance requires you to crouch, so the entire area is referred to as a crouch spot)

there are some exceptions to the 2/entrance rule (off top of my head the vents in labor gigantic and the stage in highschool) but in general you should follow the 2/entrance rule

[Meltdown]

well, if you cade one entrance of a crouch area, that takes away the number of people you can have in there. if there are two entrances, and you cade one, then you can only have 2 people in it at once. it's 2/opening, remember?

and, in answer to your question, no. if you glitch a door, then that is not considered an entrance. it is considered either a glitched door, or nothing. therefore, cading the crouch entrance would be cading the only entrance to a crouch spot. (crouch spot does not mean that you must be crouched while inside. it also applies to places one can ONLY get to by crouching (see red room on highschool; the only entrance requires you to crouch, so the entire area is referred to as a crouch spot)

there are some exceptions to the 2/entrance rule (off top of my head the vents in labor gigantic and the stage in highschool) but in general you should follow the 2/entrance rule

I just love it to see some more teamwork thus making things harder force people to think abit more. On the other hand it is probably never going to happen with the many randoms on the server who just ruin everything anyway (:

[Andrew_Pavlik]

So i've noticed recently on a couple maps (zm_euronews for example) That there is a slight paradox in the zm rules. We cannot cade ALL entrances to a crouch spot but say there is two entrances then you can cade one. Now there is also the rule about no glitching doors etc. But can you glitch the door if there is another entrance? Apparently so (Though most said it was a gray area.)

Now here's where i'm lost. Now you have a small room with a door and a crouch entrance, Both can be caded and practically impossible to break, but is it legal? They cade the crouch spot in knowing there is a 2nd entrance but the 2nd entrance is glitched (The door). I personally think that these kinds of cades should be illegal, that any cade that glitches a door shouldn't be allowed even if there are other entrances :\

I know on euro news behind the wall with the glass room people always put the vending in front of the crouch spot and you can't open the door from the outside so I've always made people uncade it, but obviously I haven't been on the ZM servers in months so.... but to answer your question, yes it is illegal.

[Rosie]

At one point there was a thread on this topic but I do not feel like looking it up. I assume you are talking about the small building with the hidden entrance in the lower right hand corner (facing it). If they glitch the door open and cade the entrance than it is legal. If it is closed it is up in the air. If there is a way to open the door from the outside such that it opens out then it would be legal. Understand just because you can not open it, does not mean that someone can't. I hate the spot, but I do not believe it is illegal. It is borderline, but not quite.


I found the old thread.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...r-from-opening.

[JollyBloo]

I'm still getting two answers :< One side (Aco) Is saying as soon as you glitch that door so that when you try opening it it just shuts again its not longer considered an entrance or its just a glitched door which is against the rules. However if its not considered an entrance then all that is left is the crouch spot in which would be caded which is also illegal. So therefore the spot IS illegal? If the door WAS HAPPENED to be glitched OPEN then yeah I see no problem with the spot, but if its glitched closed and the crouch spot is caded also I feel it would be against the rules/illegal?

[Rosie]

I base my answer off of Anex's answer. If clan says it is good, then its good. Unless Zero says no.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Jollyboo is referring to the women's bathroom on euronews, not that glassy room.

The women's door hinges only swing inward from what I've seen. Here are some screenies from inside and outside:

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[JollyBloo]

I actually meant both since both can be door glitched D: From what i've seen the past few times we've been there :<