Rushing spawn Rule.

[Dj panda]

A Spiderman or Vagabond cannot rush the enemy Spawn for the first 10 secounds of the map, Only exclusion is Dust 2. I am hoping to make this a new rule. Spideys and vagas should not be able to rush the enemy spawn and kill everyone still there after buying weapons. Its honestly retarted, and it needs to have a ruling. All the race whores will be up in arms because this is how they get half their kills, and its quite annoying buying guns and 2 secs later being killed by a spidey or vaga in spawn. This isnt a rage post for all you fucks who think im just raging. I am just trying to balance the spidey race since it is retartdly OP

[B1ackOut]

I have never been rush killed by a spidey or anything. But that is just me.

[Dj panda]

You barley play now, every other map people are whoring spidey, 2 per team lol

[Rosie]

I am almost positive the answer you will recieve is to change races. I hate the shit too, but go Shadow Hunter, or Human and counter them. If they can shoot you in spawn, then your whole team has the ability to shoot at them.

[Steamer]

OP, Get out.

[ZERO]

Your entire team is there and there is 1 of them. IS that not the best opurtunity for your team to kill that player?

[HypeRNT]

A Spiderman or Vagabond cannot rush the enemy Spawn for the first 10 secounds of the map, Only exclusion is Dust 2. I am hoping to make this a new rule. Spideys and vagas should not be able to rush the enemy spawn and kill everyone still there after buying weapons. Its honestly retarted, and it needs to have a ruling. All the race whores will be up in arms because this is how they get half their kills, and its quite annoying buying guns and 2 secs later being killed by a spidey or vaga in spawn. This isnt a rage post for all you fucks who think im just raging. I am just trying to balance the spidey race since it is retartdly OP

Great post, even better rule, as i have mentioned this aswell in one of my threads a lil while back. Unfortunately, you will get the typical responses as in*switch your race* or your whole team is there with you. Both are true, lets switch a race, what if spidey has anti wards? as im sure anyone who plays knows if you are playing spidey, you will have pretty good amount of kills, so saving up is not that hard, especially when anti wards are only 1500.

And your whole team being there is a negative not a positive. Spidey usually rush with a p90, meaning the more the better, spraying all over the place, bunny hoping, most people are caught of guard, some people are still on buy menu and dont even look or see them coming.

IMO, spwn rushing is not even the problem, on most maps spiderman or vagabond can get to bombsites before anyone else with a regular race can get to cover them. Which is a huge problem because one you get the bomb down, its pretty hard to defuse it especially vs a vaga that can go invis 50 yards back and just chill until some1 comes up thinking they got a free defuse. This is an extreme case in maps like Dolls, dust2(rush b with spidey) aztec and few others.

Not a hard rule to implement, but this would make the game alot more balanced in terms of at least having a chance to leave your starting area, and defending objectives, especially for newer players who cant switch to other races since they dont got the total level for few counters that there are.

[Chikun]

Great post, even better rule, as i have mentioned this aswell in one of my threads a lil while back. Unfortunately, you will get the typical responses as in*switch your race* or your whole team is there with you. Both are true, lets switch a race, what if spidey has anti wards? as im sure anyone who plays knows if you are playing spidey, you will have pretty good amount of kills, so saving up is not that hard, especially when anti wards are only 1500.

There are better things to buy than antiwards and basing your argument off of a "what if" is retarded.

And your whole team being there is a negative not a positive. Spidey usually rush with a p90, meaning the more the better, spraying all over the place, bunny hoping, most people are caught of guard, some people are still on buy menu and dont even look or see them coming.

You say having your team with you is a negative but don't explain why... Another fail argument. Also, why are you dicking around with the buy menu if you know you're going to be rushed? If someone is constantly rushing you should have your autobuy set for what you need so you can wait for him/her. Most rounds in the WCS are decided within the first minute unless it was only shitties shooting each other.

IMO, spwn rushing is not even the problem, on most maps spiderman or vagabond can get to bombsites before anyone else with a regular race can get to cover them. Which is a huge problem because one you get the bomb down, its pretty hard to defuse it especially vs a vaga that can go invis 50 yards back and just chill until some1 comes up thinking they got a free defuse. This is an extreme case in maps like Dolls, dust2(rush b with spidey) aztec and few others.

This is probably true on dolls but if you have a vaga or spidy on your team it shouldn't matter. I find your other examples of maps to be falsehoods. Also, a vagabond camping a planted bomb invisible is a very good strategy and requires effective teamwork to overcome. Is it OP? Depends on the variables of how good the vaga player is and how good you and your teammates are.

Not a hard rule to implement, but this would make the game alot more balanced in terms of at least having a chance to leave your starting area, and defending objectives, especially for newer players who cant switch to other races since they dont got the total level for few counters that there are.

This would be hard to implement. It means more babysitting and more of a nanny server. For your last point Human is pretty much a counter to anything with bash being as OP as it is.

[HypeRNT]

There are better things to buy than antiwards and basing your argument off of a "what if" is retarded.



You say having your team with you is a negative but don't explain why... Another fail argument. Also, why are you dicking around with the buy menu if you know you're going to be rushed? If someone is constantly rushing you should have your autobuy set for what you need so you can wait for him/her. Most rounds in the WCS are decided within the first minute unless it was only shitties shooting each other.



This is probably true on dolls but if you have a vaga or spidy on your team it shouldn't matter. I find your other examples of maps to be falsehoods. Also, a vagabond camping a planted bomb invisible is a very good strategy and requires effective teamwork to overcome. Is it OP? Depends on the variables of how good the vaga player is and how good you and your teammates are.



This would be hard to implement. It means more babysitting and more of a nanny server. For your last point Human is pretty much a counter to anything with bash being as OP as it is.

There are better things to buy than antiwards and basing your argument off of a "what if" is retarded.

And you are basing yourself of what? Saying spiderman is not OP is just your opinion, and general agreement in the server is you are wrong.


You say having your team with you is a negative but don't explain why... Another fail argument. Also, why are you dicking around with the buy menu if you know you're going to be rushed? If someone is constantly rushing you should have your autobuy set for what you need so you can wait for him/her. Most rounds in the WCS are decided within the first minute unless it was only shitties shooting each other.

Most rounds are decided in the first minute, and they are decided by how many people vaga/spidey can kill before they are put down. Hence why my argument is not fail, and the reason was posted in my quote, so start actually reading rather then flaming away.

This is probably true on dolls but if you have a vaga or spidy on your team it shouldn't matter. I find your other examples of maps to be falsehoods. Also, a vagabond camping a planted bomb invisible is a very good strategy and requires effective teamwork to overcome. Is it OP? Depends on the variables of how good the vaga player is and how good you and your teammates are.

its true on dolls just as much as it is true on dust2, Aztec,dust, and almost any other map. And yes a vaga camping bomb is a great strategy, which is almost always based on the fact that they get to the bombsite before anyone else, which is giving the following team unfair advantage in terms of how they get to play compared to the other team always trying to chase down 10 second bomb plants.

[Chikun]

And you are basing yourself of what? Saying spiderman is not OP is just your opinion, and general agreement in the server is you are wrong.

The "general" agreement of what two people? And with Zero saying no to any changes until all of the races are back in you're SOL.

Most rounds are decided in the first minute, and they are decided by how many people vaga/spidey can kill before they are put down. Hence why my argument is not fail, and the reason was posted in my quote, so start actually reading rather then flaming away.

No, you see it is fail because if one person is bum rushing spawn and your whole team is still getting shitted on you fail and so does the team.

its true on dolls just as much as it is true on dust2, Aztec,dust, and almost any other map. And yes a vaga camping bomb is a great strategy, which is almost always based on the fact that they get to the bombsite before anyone else, which is giving the following team unfair advantage in terms of how they get to play compared to the other team always trying to chase down 10 second bomb plants.

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