My apologies i figured you would have read it with the missing comma.....Originally Posted by toma
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from pathetic souls who waste money on charity's, then whine to the government about not having any money.
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My apologies i figured you would have read it with the missing comma.....
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from pathetic souls who waste money on charity's, then whine to the government about not having any money.
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yeah with the comma that makes it different, and i agree, too many people don't do research on the charity and just jump right in, with times leaving a bad taste in their mouth. that's why i provided links about the disease and the organization so people could read up on it and decide if this was a worth wild charity to donate to. i could have just posted my donation page and left it at that, but i know spending money right now is a sensitive issue, even if it's towards donating to a charity that's why i posted the other information. my problem with nem is that he wasn't making fun of the charity initially, he was making fun at the disease, which is pretty fucked up.
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Even without the comma i find it fairly difficult to miss interpret what i meant.
Nem did a mighty fine job of striking at your emotions.
Its shitty, dont get me wrong but im not going to waste my hard earned money. Even if i was a multi millionaire with no financial problems... i would not donate to a charity. For several in depth reasons. As far as disease goes, if someone dies... they die. i dont feel sorry for them as its part of human life, inevitable.
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that's fine, you don't have to donate, i clearly said donate if you can or wanted to, i didn't say you're a horrible fucken person if you don't. i stated my cause, gave literature and let people decide after they've done some research if they want to donate or not. so if you happened to be injured a simple but life threatening injury, ie. shot/cut and you're bleeding out, you wouldn't want to be worked on?
also, i would like to hear all of your in-depth reasons.
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you are missing the point. I would expect a doctor to do everything they can to save a life. It's the argument that springs for charity lovers that doctors don't due to funding. If someone has cancer, they will be treated, charities fund research to find more efficient ways of doing it. The part you don't understand is that if a charity wants to devote its self to a cause it should fork over alllll its earnings... Not just some of it. If I wanted to donate I would donate directly to the source not a charity to make me look like a great person.
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yes if someone has cancer and can afford treatment, they will be treated. the point you don't understand is, a non-profit is a company. and with companies they have expenses. ie. promotions, to actually raise awareness to get someone to even look into the issue. costs for setting up events, just cause they're non-profit doesn't mean people will let them use a venue for free. also, non-profits are not entities of just volunteers, you can't have some john or jane doe handling the money, balancing the books, coordinating, administering, these are full time positions, i'm sure if people could and live off no income they would gladly give all their time to working at no cost to the cause, but reality doesn't allow for that. you stated you'd rather give your money directly to the sources, fine, do that. but without non-profits raising awareness you wouldn't know about any of it. 'out of sight, out of mind'. and even if you did donate directly to an entity, not 100% of that would go into finding a cure, saving a life or what not, that will also be broken down into administrative costs, maintenance costs, and so on. also, about looking like "a great person." the charities have the option of donating anonymously so you don't have to worry about that.
the money raised from the MS150 actually goes into supplementing costs to people who can't themselves afford treatment, and to look for a cure. and no my statement is right on the point. treating gunshot woulds or whatever, modern medicine just didn't happen over night how do you think the knowledge was gained? it is where it is today, by research, grants, funds, which come from both public and private entities through charity events, fund raising, and non-profits.
i don't know if you're ignorant, naive, or cynical, maybe some of it all to have this view, but seriously i would like to know your in-depth reasons, i've yet to hear your side of this issue, besides all money gathered should go directly to the cause(ideally that'd be great, but as mentioned before, reality doesn't allow)
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Donations to charities aren't necessarily a waste of money either. You can write-off any donations you make on your taxes if you know what you're doing. You'll see that money on a return from the government. The only way it would be a "waste" of your "hard earned" money is if you didn't write it off.
I understand Mikey's side of things, but he doesn't know wtf he's talking about half the time.
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I find it hard to believe that a human being would do somthing that didn't benifit themselves in some way. Everyone has a personal motive behind there actions, its the whole, ill help you, help me sort of deal.
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When the Susan B Komen foundation was founded, it was because Susan B Komen died of breast cancer and her sister started the cause for her. MS150 is the same manner. Someone that had MS touched or was the person that started the foundation. That's how MOST of these get started. Someone with the money to START a charity is bestowed a reason to start it. I wouldn't go out and start a foundation for AIDS because I don't know anyone WITH AIDS. Magic Johnson has AIDS and he started a foundation. Same goes for Michael J Fox. He has Parkinsons, he started a foundation. I doubt either of them would have gone to the lengths they did if they did not have their ailments. Then there are activists. Bill Gates has BILLIONS. He has no known ailments, yet he spends hundreds of millions EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. What does he get in return? Nothing more than he gave other than a little press or a good feeling. He does it anyway.
The woman I love and hope to marry was diagnosed with MS 10 months after we met. You had BEST believe that if there is a miracle cure that will keep her on her feet and living a healthy and normal life, I want to be a part of it. I'm not going to let other people handle things because if EVERYONE had that mindset, nothing would get done. If I had the money to found a charity for it, I absolutely would. I don't have that money, what I do have is time and a little bit here and there and I give when I can.
Last edited by Penis シ; 03-08-2012 at 03:04 PM. Reason: made a blanket statement.
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it's true, lots of people have motives, but there's always another side to every coin, even if it's few and far between. There are many people out there that i know who genuinely give out of the goodness of their heart without expecting anything in return, unfortunately, i see a lot of these people being walked all over because of that.
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